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  • Act II, scene ii, lines 122-123:  The will of man is by his reason swayed and reason says you are the worthier maid.
  • Act III, scene i, 145-146:  And yet, to say truth, reason and love keep little company together nowadays.

Consider the SOAPSTone (Speaker, Occasion, Audience, Purpose, Tone) of each and then analyze what  Shakespeare is really trying to teach the audience member or reader in these speeches.

As always, don’t forget to respond to at least one other classmate’s response in this thread.

61 Responses to “And yet, to say truth, reason and love keep little company together nowadays.”

  1. jennnaaa(: says:

    Lines 122-123 in Act II scene ii are spoken by Lysander, who “loves” Helena. He is saying that reason commands him, and reason is telling him that he loves Helena, not Hermia. This is ironic, because reason and love do not really coincide. When someone is really in love, they do stupid things. They have no sense in logic (or reasoning). Plus, Lysander doesn’t even truly love Helena. It’s the “love juice” that has made him deeply in love with Helena. Lysander says this with deep emotion and a “loving tone”, but he is not really in love, which we (the audience) know. Lines 145-146 in Act III scene i are spoken by Bottom, when Titania “confesses her love for him.” Again, she is not really in love- it is the love juice. Although Bottom is supposed to be an ass, both physically and mentally (in terms of personality), his statement is actually correct. He says that love and reason are not very compatible, and this is true. One is not logical when they are in love. They say foolish things that sound quite absurd. For once, Bottom has made a good point. His tone, of course, is that he is joking, but what he says are quite accurate.

  2. rebeccag3 says:

    In the first quote, Lysander is talking to Helena. After being affected by the love potion, Lysander is trying to convince Helena that he is over Hermia and only loves her. To justify this sudden change of heart, Lysander says it was all due to reason. He tells Helena that she is a dove, whereas Hermia is a raven, and based on those facts, reason says she is prettier and would be the better one to love. Quite ironic, however, for Lysander is not truly using reason – he is acting the way he is due to the love potion. In the second quote, Titania has just professed her love to Bottom (she too has been affected by the love potion). In response, Bottom tells Titania that she has no reason to be in love with him, and states that when coupled with love, reason is often thrown to the wind. In both of these statements, I think Shakespeare is trying to tell the reader that when in love, one must act carefully and not become overly infatuated with their mate, for love clouds one’s ability to think. This kind of relates to Romeo and Juliet in which Friar Lawrence says “Love moderately…”, thus indicating that sudden outbursts of infatuation, such as those experienced by Lysander and Titania, are dangerous.

  3. skyem3 says:

    In the first lines, 122-123, Lysander now loves Helena- a huge twist. However, it isn’t genuine love. It was caused by the juice of the purple flower. Lysander says that he loves Helena, and that is reason. Therefore, because reason rules him, he loves Helena. To him it just makes sense. The readers and audiences know that this is not genuine love, and it makes it a little funny how the tables turned.

    The next lines said by Bottom. Bottom was tuned into a donkey by a servant of Oberons. Oberons plan was to have Tatania fall in love with this ass. I think it was meant to be funny that he was turned into a donkey because he can sometimes act stubborn and rude. However, sometimes he is serious and sometimes he jokes around. When he spoke these lines, he was joking about something very serious. He says, “And yet, to say truth, reason and love keep little company together nowadays.” I think part of what Bottom meant was that we don’t really know why we are drawn to someone, and when you are inlove, sometimes crazy things make sense.

  4. edenn1 says:

    In lines 122-123 Act II scene ii Lysander is speaking, under the influence, about the person who he loves only under magic nectar. Lysander is saying that apparently now he loves Helena instead of the person he used to love who was Hermia.He blames all this on reason, which has sense of weirdness because as we learned from Romeo and Juliet love has no reason. I find the most ironic part of this conversation to be that Lysander doesn’t actually love Helena he is just under the potion. Another thing that I think is weird is that Helena thinks that he is just mocking her but he isn’t.
    In lines 145-146 an act III scene i Titania is confessing her fake love for Bottom. Her love is fake because just like Lysander she is under the magic nectar. The part that I find the funniest is that Titania is speaking to Bottom while Bottom is in the form of a donkey.

  5. giiaaannnaaaa says:

    In lines 122-123 in Act II scene ii, Lysander professes his love to Helena. Due to the magic nectar, he loves her instead of Hermia. However, this is not true love. He is, in reality, still in love with Hermia. The nectar just makes him attracted to an equally beautiful woman. Helena, however, takes this as mockery of her.

    In lines 145-146 in Act III scene i, Titania awakes from her sleep and sees Bottom in donkey form. This being the first thing she sees upon awaking, she falls in love with him. Just like Lysander’s love for Helena, this love is not true. I find it quite ironic that this is who Shakespeare chose Titania to fall in love with. Could it be because Bottom (I’m trying to say this in the most polite way possible) is not exactly the most polite person, and what Titania did to Oberon wasn’t that nice either?

  6. koalaman says:

    In the first line it is Lysander talking to Helena in the woods when he is trying to convince her that he really loves her. Basically this line means that a person’s desires are influenced by logical reasons and that logically Helena is the more worthy of the two women of his love. His tone in this line is very serious and passionate because he is influenced by his love caused by the flower “love in idleness” and the purpose of this line is to show that love is not always blind but it can sometimes be influenced by ones logical thoughts. This conflicts with the second speech because Bottom is almost saying the exact opposite thing to Titania. When talking to Titania and se is telling him of her love for him he says something very serious and wise for such an ass, he says that “reason and love keep little company together nowadays”. By this he means that it isn’t very often that logical thoughts are involved in one’s love for another, that when you’re in love you overlook the bad things and don’t follow your head but instead think with your heart. I think that Shakespeare is trying to question the reader here asking him or her what they believe love is followed by, their head or their heart.

  7. emilyd3 says:

    The first quote is spoken by Lysander when he is trying to convince Helena that he is in love with her, not Hermia. He compares Helena to a dove and calls her beautiful, and compares Hermia to a raven. He tells Helena that when he was in love with Hermia it was not based on reason, but now he is using reason and reason says that she is the fairer maid, and that is why he now loves her. This is irionic, though, because he is only acting under the influence of the love potion, he doesn’t really love Helena. The second quote is from Bottom after Titania falls in love with him, also due to the potion. Titania tells Bottom that she loves him and he says that she is being unreasonable and has no reason to be in love with him. He says that nowadays, however, when it comes to love most people forget reason and fall in love anyways. Through these quotes, Shakespeare is trying to convey to his audience that love is something that can not be defined, and that people don’t fall in love based on reason.

  8. th3Wiggl3r says:

    Lines 122-123 in Act II scene ii are from Lysander. He has just woken up in the forest and is talking to Helena. Lysander is under the affect of the love juice, so he is madly in love with Helena. Lysander says that reason is what guides a man’s decision in whom he loves, and that his reason has chosen Helena. The message Shakespeare is trying to get across is that this is not true. Reason does not guide a man’s decision because Lysander only “loves” Helena because he is under the influence of the love juice. Shakespeare is trying to tell the reader that men make decisions of love based on impulse, not reason.

    The quote from Lines 145-146 in Act III scene i is from Bottom. He is speaking to Titania in the woods after she wakes up and falls in love with Bottom. She tells Bottom how much she loves him, but then bottom says that love and reason do not go together. This reinforces Shakespeare’s previous statement that love is very impulsive.

  9. jessicap5 says:

    In the first quote, Lysander is talking to Helena. Lysander tries to convince Helena that he does not love Hermia anymore by saying that whom a man loves is due in part to his logic, and that logic would dictate that Helena is the better choice for marraige. This is ironic because Lysander is not using logic at all; he is under the infuence of the love flower. The second quote is said by Bottom to Titania, who has just woken up and because her judgement is being affected by the love flower, instanly falls in love with Bottom. Bottom says that love and reason do not go together. In both of these quotes, Shakespeare is conveying to the audience that people who are in love do not act logical or with good reason, but that they are impulsive and even foolish, like Romeo and Juliet.

  10. hannahb3 says:

    The first comment on lines 122-123 are spoken by Lysander. He has had the magic nectar dropped in his eyes, and is telling Helena that he is deeply in love with her. He says that what a man wants is affected by his logic, and it is logical for him to be in love with Helena and not Hermia, because Helena is more worthy of his love. His tone seems very serious and honest, but we know that it is the nectar controlling him in this occasion.
    The second comment on lines 145-146 are spoken by Bottom, after Titania has declared her love to him. She has also been influenced by the nectar. The ironic thing about this statement, is that Bottom is supposed to be an ass, yet what he is saying is true. Love and logic don’t go together. Shakespeare seems to often use the theme of impulsive love.

  11. alex5a says:

    In Act II, scene ii, lines 122-123, Lysander is speaking to Helena who he is “in love” with. He is claiming that it is his logic that made him fall in love with her. It is odd, because throughout the whole play this idea of “why do we love?” or “how do we fall in love?” is brought to our attention, and now it seems it is put quite simply, that is logic. It is also a bit of dramatic irony, because the audience knows it is anything but logic or reason that makes Lysander love Helena. The next quote, Act III, scene i, is spoken from Bottom to Titania, and completely contradicts the first quote. Bottom is very confused at why Titania loves him, but then says that logic and love very rarely are together nowadays. This is very true, and fits the theme of the play more than Lysander’s claim that logic is the reason that made him love Helena. Both of these quotes speak to love and why it is, but explain it in very different ways.

  12. alexisb1 says:

    The first line is spoken by Lysander. He is telling Helena that he “loves” her and compared to Hermia she is the better lady. He is saying that reason drives his love for Helena. Of course, we know that it is the nectar but he doesn’t. I think that this line is how we know that he doesn’t really love her. When you love someone, there isn’t a reason. You don’t compare them to other people and say “ok, he’s the better choice!” It doesn’t happen that way! Reason and love don’t go together. The second line is spoken by Bottom after Titania wakes up and confesses her “love” for him. Again, this is the nectar speaking, not her true self. This statement is true. He says that reason and love don’t go together. The opposite of what Lysander said. I agree with him. When you love somebody, you just do, as I said before. Bottom says this jokingly but what he says is true.

    • jonathank6 says:

      People don’t go compare compare them to other people and say,”ok, he’s the better choice?” Haven’t you ever heard anyone, male or female, compare their crushes by attractiveness, humor, etc.? We grow up being taught that it is morally unethical to treat love so pettily, that love is an indescribable feeling of awe, but do we always treat it so?

  13. theMapleYay says:

    In the first comment, Lysander is speaking to Helena. He says this after he has the nectar put on his eyelids, and he is trying to woo Helena. He is saying romantic things. It means that people fall in love with the more “worthier” person through logic. This is his reason for loving Titania. Shakespeare is really trying to say that love does not have to do with logic. People just fall in love with people, sometimes for no reason. In the second comment, Bottom is speaking to Titania. Unlike Lysander, it is Titania who has fallen in love because of the flower. Also, unlike Lysander, he is saying love has nothing to do with logic. According to Bottom, you do not reason when you fall in love. This is his reason for why Titania loves him. I think this also proves Shakespeare’s point of why people fall in love. I agree with him in that people fall in love for different reasons, but many times there are no reasons for falling in love.

  14. Owl Lover <3 says:

    Lines 122-123 are spoken by Lysander to Helena, to try to prove his “love” for her, even though we as the readers know that it is not true love. He is telling Helena that a man’s mind is controlled by logic, and that logic shows Helena is the more beautiful girl. The tone of Lysander’s comment is passionate towards Helena, but there is also an underlying tone condescension towards Hermia.
    Lines 145-146 are spoken by Bottom to Titania, after she magically (not really, it was the flower) falls in love with him. Bottom id disbelieving, because he says that truth, logic, and love don’t usually go together. This basically means that love can make us do stupid things. This reminds me of Romeo and Juliet, and their impulsiveness in love (which obviously isn’t logical).

  15. :):D<3snowboarder56 says:

    In the first quote, Lysander is speaking to Helena after he wakes to see her after his eyes were annointed with the special flower that makes you fall in love with the first person you see. Lysander sees Helena, so he is claiming his undying love for her. He says that people are moved by reason, and since she is logically the better woman, he should love her, not Hermia. This to me, is very ironic and funny, because love has nothing to do with logic and reason, actually it is the most undefinable thing I have ever come across. In the second quote, Bottom is speaking to Titania after she confesses her undying love for him, after being annointed by the same flower as Lysander. Bottom says that there is no way in the world that she should love him, but then again, love has no reason or logic. I agree much more with bottom than I do with Lysander.

  16. jonathanr2 says:

    The first statement is said by Lysander, who states his love for Helena, and says that he has forgotten Hermia. He is basically saying that reason, or logic, has all of a sudden kicked in, and he now sees the true beauty of Helena; therefore, he is now in love with her. This is ironic, firstly because reason and love have little to do with each other, and secondly because the reason Lysander loves Helena is due entirely to the flower juice, and not at all to reason. The second statement is spoken by Bottom, who has been revealed to be a very annoying and boastful character. Titania has fallen in love with him, also due to the flower juice. Bottom is quite puzzled, and says something true, unlike the statement by Lysander. He basically says that love and reason do not go together. I agree with him (for once), for people do not tend to be logical when in love. The lesson that I think Shakespeare is trying to teach to the audience is that you should love as moderately and as reasonably as possible, or things turn weird, possibly even bad.

  17. koaladetective says:

    I think in these quotes Shakespeare is trying to tell us that people are acting without reason when they fall in love with somebody. This is ironic, because Lysander also claims that logic is the only reason he has to love Helena. I think this is Shakespeare’s way of reminding us that Lysander’s love is fake, and to bring us back to reality. The mention of reason and logic makes me think of “A Modest Proposal”. This is kind of similar to these statements because it states a perfectly good answer to everyone’s problems, but doesn’t take emotion into account. This is the only problem with the flower’s magic; it makes somebody realize the rationale behind loving someone, but doesn’t create the emotions for them.

  18. matthewj4 says:

    Lysander speaks lines 122-123 in act II scene ii. Lysander loves Helena now because of the magical nectar and because he saw Helena first when he woke up. Lysander is persuading Helena that he loves her and not Hermia. Line 123 shows how because of this “fake love”, Lysander thinks Helena is the “worthier maid”. The tone is loving and true (even though we know the love is fake). Lines 145-146 in act III scene i are said by Bottom. Recently, Titania confessed her love for Bottom but we know this love is “fake” too. He says, “Reason (meaning logic) and love keep little company together nowadays”. This quote is a little ironic because Bottom (the ass) is being rational here and speaking what is actually the truth. Nowadays, actions while in love are sometimes illogical which proves Bottom’s point. In both speeches, I think Shakespeare is trying to tell us that logic is more important than love, and that love sometimes makes people illogical.

    • hyesooj says:

      Nice description of the effects of love. I agree with the fact that it makes humans (and fairies in this play) illogical.

  19. gayatrip says:

    These words, “The will of man is by his reason swayed and reason says you are the worthier maid.” were said by Lysander. Lysander who is under the influence of magical nectar is in love with Helena. He is saying that logic made him realize that Helena was better than Hermia. This is the complete opposite of what Shakespeare was trying to get across earlier in the play through Helena who said things such as love is blind, it has no reason (it is also the opposite of what Bottom said).

    *I have a question for you : What is love? Is it an emotion, feeling or something else because obviously Lysander feels that emotion for Helena when he is under the influence of the nectar, so could it be considered love even though it’s not really love?

    These words, “And yet, to say truth, reason and love keep little company together nowadays.” are spoken by Bottom after Titania has said that she loves him (because of the nectar). So he means that love and reason don’t belong together, so even though Titania should have no reason to love him, she does. So he is pretty much saying what Helena said before and the complete opposite of what Lysander said. I think with the play a Midsummer’s Night Dream, Shakespeare is trying to show that love is unpredictable and can turn in any direction.

  20. yanahh2 says:

    In Act II scene ii, Lysander falls in love with Helena because she is the first person he sees after he wakes up with the flower juice put on his eyelids. He tries to prove to Helena that he is truly in love with her. Lysander tells her that a man’s will and what he wants is influenced by logic. Therefore, it is logical that Helena is more worthier than Hermia. In act III scene i, Bottom says that that the truth is that reason and love have very little to do with each other now. Shakespeare was trying to say that love always gets in the way of our logic.

  21. jonathank6 says:

    Bottom and Lysander (granted he was bewitched) have very different views on love. Lysander says that love is based upon reason, and therefore how can one ever achieve true love if they are youths with an immature sense of reason? But if you think about love that way, how would one ever know when he/she had matured his/her logic to its utmost potential to be even capable of true love? After all, does one ever stop maturing their reason? With every experience our logic grows, so in actuality our reason never matures completely, for there is always more to learn. Therefore, one would never be able to find true love, because true love is determined by mature reasoning, according to Lysander. I disagree wholeheartedly with Lysander. Love sees not with the eyes but with the mind. I do agree with Bottom in that love and reason are often strangers, to which Titania complements him on his wisdom, even though he’s (literally) an ass. Shakespeare subtly hints an idea, the simple wisdom of the asses of our world. People who live or think simply have an incredible perspective on the world that is very clear, without complication. It’s a very interesting idea, the subtle wisdom of asses.

  22. KC says:

    The first comment in Act II scene ii lines 122-123, Lysander is confessing his new found love for Helena. Of course we know that Lysander doesn’t truly love Helena. He says “The will of man is by his reason swayed and reason says you are the worthier maid.” That means that he loved Hermia until his reason exposed that Helena was “prettier” and she was the fairer maid. He also says who would not change a raven for a dove; the raven being Hermia and Helena being the dove. This is not the case because it has been mentioned that Hermia and Helena are equally pretty. When Lysander said this he was being very serious because he was under the influence of the flower’s magic love nectar. This is funny because he is admitting his “true” and “pure” love for Helena when in reality he does not actually like Helena. Act III scene I lines 145-146 are spoken by Bottom after Titania confesses her “love” for him after Oberon anointed her eye’s with the flower’s nectar. He says “And yet, to say truth, reason and love keep little company together nowadays,” which means that when you are in love you are not supposed to be “listening to reason” like Titania and Lysander both are. I found it funny that both Helena and Bottom rejects the love for them by the magic flower.

  23. alexanderl3 says:

    The two quotes convey a radically different meaning. In the first quote, Lysander is speaking to Hermia after he fell in love from the nectar that Robin placed on his eyes. Lysander says that love is involved with logic, and Helena won out when Lysander composed himself. He says that as he confesses his new-found love for Helena. He says that logic can sway a man’s decision over who is the worthier maid. On the other hand, Bottom speaks to Titania after Titania awakes and falls in love with him. Instead of saying that love is governed by logic, he says that logic is, in actuality, rarely seen together with love. He says that what makes us love is not logic, but actually something else. I agree with Bottom, as love isn’t as clear-cut as many people think. There really is no logic at all that goes into whom exactly you love.

  24. danielp7 says:

    In the first quote from act two lines 122-123, Lysander is speaking to Helena. This occurs after Lysander was placed under the love nectar. In this line he is attempting the encourage Helena that he no longer is in love with Hermia and now only loves her instead. He states that “Who will not trade a raven for a dove?” In other words who would not trade the ugly Hermia for the beautiful Helena? Lysander is saying that reason says that she is the more beautiful person and therefore be the one to love. Though this is said by Lysander we know that this is only the love nectar talking of course. In the second quote in at three lines 145-146, Bottom is talking to Tatiana right after she had confessed her love for him (another result of the nectar). Bottom replies to her confession by saying that she has no reason to love him and that when love and reason collide; it is usually reason that is thrown aside. These quotes depict the same idea in the reader’s mind, that when in love you must think and act carefully to avoid loss of reality and reason.

  25. sophia says:

    Shakespeare’s plays are full of quotes that require some analysis and thought to completely understand. For example, in lines 122-123 of Act II, scene ii, when Lysander confesses his “love” to Helena, what the heck is he saying? Of course, we know that he does not truly love Helena, he is just under the influence of the purple flower nectar, which is convincing him that he is madly in love with her. Nevertheless, he tries to explain his sudden change of heart by saying, “The will of man is by his reason swayed and reason says you are the worthier maid.” By this, he means that he may have just been in love with Hermia when he fell asleep, but he has honestly redirected his affections because he has been influenced by reason (which in turn means he has been unreasonable by loving Hermia). He also states that in being reasonable, he has realized that Helena is far better than Helena. Another somewhat confusing quote can be found in Act III, scene I, lines 145-146 in a conversation between Titania and Bottom. Bottom says, “And yet, to say the truth, reason, and love keep little company together nowadays.” Bottom is commenting on Titania’s confession of “love” (again, the nectar) for him and how it made no sense, but that love rarely has anything to do with truth or reason anymore. This is surprising because most things that Bottom has said so far were completely idiotic and this is actually true. Love tends to overshadow logic and reason. Wait, love and reason, where have I heard that before? Lysander just said in the previous scene that reason was opening his eyes and showing him who the worthier maid is, and now Bottom is telling me that reason and love have nothing to do with each other. Oh, boy. These fairies have really twisted up this story.

  26. rebeccav2 says:

    In this act everything has could possibly gone wrong has gone wrong. Lysander fell in love with Helena and Hermia is left alone and desolate. Helena rejected Lysanders love thinking that he was making fun of her. Lysander said then said that “the will of man is by his reason swayed and reason says you are the worthier maid.” I find this interesting because they use the word reason. When people are madly in love they had no reason. The whole world is just them and their beloved. Demetrius had been given another dose of the nectar and fell in love with the right person. Meanwhile Titania has fell in love with bottom who had been turned into an ass, his personality and actions would deem him an ass as well so it’s ironic. Titania tell him that she loves him and that he is as beautiful as he is wise. Bottom tells her “And yet, to say the truth, reason, and love keep little company together nowadays. This is probably the wisest thing Bottom has said in the whole play. All in all this play went from being somewhat normal ( if you don’t count the fairies) to downright chaotic.

  27. aleyaha says:

    The first lines are Lysander speaking to Helena. He just got anointed with the nectar from the flower that makes people fall in love, and has fallen in love with Helena. He’s telling her that reason is telling him that she is a better woman that Hermia is, so he should be falling in love with her and not Hermia. He is trying desperately to convince Helena of this. The next lines are Bottom speaking to Titania. Titania just fell in love with him, because she was anointed with the nectar of the same flower. Bottom is telling her that reason and love aren’t related to each other. These two statements are contradicting each other, but still support the same idea. Lysander is saying this under the influence of fairies, he isn’t listening to reason, and he doesn’t love actually love Helena. Bottom is still being a jokester, but his words ring true, that love is a thing that doesn’t listen to reason.

  28. hyesooj says:

    The first quote is spoken by Lysander who instantly fell in love with Helena due to the magic of that troublesome love juice. In his speech, Lysander talks about how much he loves Helena and refers his will of preferring Helena (over Hermia) as his reason. In the next scene, Bottom says the second quote to Titania, Queen of the Fairies who fell in love with Bottom, another victim of the magic nectar. Here, Bottom manages to state this: “Mistress, there’s gotta be a reason why you love me so much like this at your first sight. In fact, reason and love do not conciliate with one another.” Considering the meaning of both speeches, Shakespeare must be implying the way love do not have a reason but haste and blindness. Apparently, the magic juice is a blindfold that covers the eyne of Lysander and Titania. Yet, Helena and Bottom are the complete opposite of them; Helena feels as if Lysander is mocking her and Bottom does not think Titania thought wisely enough about her new love. In other words, Helena and Bottom understands the lack of reasonable love (which does not exist here) in these two scenes. I also think that Shakespeare meant to teach us that love cannot be made with a reason. Thinking of both Romeo and Juliet and this play, love relationships do not have a reason behind. In fact, I think love presented in both plays is full of flaws. So to love a flaw-full love, reason should be left elsewhere.

  29. <3NYKNICKS says:

    Lines 122-123 is said by Lysander to Helena. He has woken up and he is under the affect of the love juice, so Lysander is in love with Helena. Lysander says that reason guides a man’s decision with whom he loves, and that his reason has chosen Helena. I don’t think that this is true because Lysander only loves Helena because he is under the influence of the nectar from the flower. The quote from Lines 145-146 is said by Bottom to Titania in the woods. Titania wakes up and falls in love with Bottom but he has a donkey head. She tells Bottom how much she loves him, but Bottom says that love and reason are not seen together. I think that Shakespeare, once again, is saying that love is impulsive and their love does not think rationally.

  30. jonathanj says:

    The first of the two quotes is spoken by Lysander when he wakes up to Helena, whom he falls in love with because of the “spell”. He says that the reason for him falling in love with her instead of Hermia, who he was is love with before the potion, is because Helena is a better woman. Poor Helena does not know about the potion and still believes that Lysander is messing with her. He tries very hard to convince Helena that he actually loves her. The second of the two quotes is said by Bottom to Titania once Titania wakes up after being “enchanted”. He says that reason and love are not related to each other. That idea is very interesting. I think that Shakespeare was trying to tell people that love is driven by impulses and people should take their time and really learn about the person and make sure that you actually love him or her.

  31. theresar3 says:

    In Act II scene ii, lines 122-123 are spoken by Lysander to Helena. Lysander is talking about his love for Helena and not Hermia. Although, his love is just the magic from the potion that was poured on his eyelids, he doesn’t know and all of a sudden is obsessed with Helena. Lysander says “The will of man is by his reason swayed, and reason says you are the worthier maid.” This means that love depends on reason and his heart or reason says that Helena is the girl for him. Helena is very confused by this small speech and thinks that he is mocking her. The tone of Lysander’s voice is very loving. The occasion of this speech was in an argument with Helena about love and being loved. It must be weird to have someone who wants nothing to do with you and then the next day that same somebody in love with you.
    In Act III scene I, lines 145-146 are spoken by Bottom the mechanical to Titania the Queen of the fairies. In these lines Bottom is also talking about reason and love. In this part of the scene Titania has just fallen in love with the first thing she has seen which is bottom or in this case a donkey. Now even though Bottom is joking around this whole scene he says one wise thing that stands out from the others, Bottom states “And yet, to say the truth, reason and love keep little company together nowadays.” This line is very true in the real world today, it seems that nobody thinks anymore about love and no thought or reason is involved. People sometimes love stupidly and when you love someone all thoughts and reason slip away. The tone in this speech was very happy and light. Even the bottom is a donkey, maybe he knows a little about what he is saying.

  32. Fastball says:

    In lines 122-123 of Act II scene ii, Lysander is telling Helena how much he “loves her” after having the nectar of the “love flower” placed on his sleeping eyes. He is saying that he was being stupid and irrational for loving Hermia instead of loving Helena. Lysander is saying that love is driven by reason and reason is saying that Helena is a fairer maiden than Hermia. Helena is confused by this and mistakes Lysander’s courting for a mockery of her love for Demetrius.
    In lines 145-146 of Act III scene iii, Bottom is talking about how love and reason do not go hand in hand at all. Just before this, Titania has woken up with the same nectar placed on her eyes as was placed on Lysander’s and has fallen in love with Bottom while he is the form of an ass. This is probably the wisest thing Bottom says. He is basically saying that when you love someone, you do not think as clearly as you normally would and you act out of love, not out of reason. This makes me think of Romeo and Juliet who obviously did not act logically when they found out about their love’s death. Bottom is a very big jokester but, this is probably the wisest line in the play so far.

  33. mia :) says:

    In the first lines, (lines 122-123) Lysander speaks to Helena after a love potion was put on his eyelids. He wakes up and the first thing he sees is Helena. Lysander immediately tries to make Helena his own. His lines mean that his logic (or reason) makes him love Helena because he thinks she is obviously the ‘worthier’ maid. It just so happens that this is the exact opposite of what he really thinks. (without the potion) By putting these lines into the play, I think Shakespeare wants to convey the message that, “Things are not always what they seem.” It may seem like logic to you, but in real life it could be the exact opposite. It is similar to common sense. At times, when someone thinks they have it, they actually have exactly the opposite – none. The second quote is spoken by Nick Bottom, which is surprising because what he says is very true and his character is not very bright. Mr. Bottom says that “…love and reason do not keep each other company these days…” Bottom says this when Titania suddenly falls in love with him after getting a dose of the love potion. He said this because Bottom would never expect such a beautiful fairy to fall in love with someone as loud and ‘unattractive?’ as him. But Bottom just excepts this and goes on. Shakespeare put this into the play because he wanted to emphasize that the cause of love is unknown. He thinks that it does not come only from reason, but something more.

  34. gavina says:

    In the first quote, Lysander is speaking aloud to Helena. Lysander tries to convince Helena that he does not love Hermia anymore by saying that whom a man loves is due in part to his logic, and that logic would dictate that Helena is the better choice for marriage. This is ironic because Lysander is not using logic at all; he is under the influence of the love flower and logic is the opposite side of the spectrum when you consider the nature of love. The second quote is said by Bottom to Titania, who has just woken up and because her judgement is being affected by the love flower, instantly falls in love with Bottom. Bottom says that love and reason do not go together correctly I might add. In both of these quotes, Shakespeare is conveying to the audience that people who are in love do not act logical or with good reason, but that they are impulsive and even foolish, like Romeo and Juliet and in general any teenager ever.

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