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The origin of love never lies in reason.

January20

In A Midsummer Night’s Dream the origin of love never lies in reason. Love may be consistent with reason—e.g., Lysander is undeniably “a wor­thy gentleman”—and a healthy imagination, although influenced by love, will not glaringly rebel against reason. But as Hermia initially indicates, her choice is dictated not by her judgment but by her “eyes,” by the vision of Lysander as her love-dictated imagination reports it. As Helena says at the close of this same introductory scene, love sees with that part of the mind that has no taste of judgment. Essentially this is as true for Hermia as for the others, although her choice conflicts with parental authority rather than with sound evaluation of her beloved’s merits.

Dent, R. W. “Imagination in A Midsummer Night’s Dream.”Shakespeare 400. Ed. James G. McManaway.New York: Holt, 1964.

  • Summarize the above extract.
  • Explain what you think is the author’s most important point.
  • Explain why you do or do not agree with the author.
  • Be sure to include lots of specific details from A Midsummer Night’s Dream (and perhaps Romeo and Juliet) to support your ideas.

As always, be sure to comment on at least one other response in this thread.

 

46 Comments to

“The origin of love never lies in reason.”

  1. January 20th, 2012 at 6:00 pm      Reply johnk4 Says:

    D.R Dent says that love is never fueled by reason in A Midsummer’s Night Dream. The critic said that love is does not directly oppose reason. However the writer points out that Hermia states that her decision to love Lysander was “decided by her eyes…” Also the writer points out Helena’s version of love, which is that love uses the part of the brain that does not have reason. The writer says that this is true because Hermia would disobey her parents to marry Lysander even though Demetrius is the same class as Lysander. I think the author’s most important point was that love has no judgment. Many instances of this appear in literature such as Romeo and Juliet. Romeo and Juliet could have been happy marrying other people but they had to pick the worst people to fall in love with. Also Oberon and Titania is an example of this. Oberon still loved Titania after she had badmouthed him. Also Theseus and Hippolyta are an example. Theseus loves Hippolyta even though she is the queen of a men-hating race.


    • January 21st, 2012 at 11:02 am      Reply nikital Says:

      I like how you incorporated Theseus and Hippolyta into this, relating their relationship to Oberon and Titania’s.


    • January 22nd, 2012 at 11:22 am      Reply Ben E. Says:

      It makes me wonder, does Theseus love Hippolyta, or is he marrying her in a form of imprisonment?


      • January 22nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm      Reply Anton Says:

        If Theseus is marrying Hyppolyta for the sake of imprisonment, then he in turn is also imprisoning himself, so unless he is emo, I think he loves her at at least some level. If he just wanted her as a trophy, he could have simply made her his servant.


      • January 22nd, 2012 at 1:22 pm      Reply amandaf2 Says:

        I think that Theseus loves Hippolyta because if he did not than he would not care about getting her to love him.


      • January 22nd, 2012 at 4:33 pm      Reply amandaj3 Says:

        You bring up a very interesting point. I think Theseus loves Hippolyta at some level. I don’t think he was trying to “imprison” her. He couldn’t wait for the night to come because he wanted to get married to her. He was complaining how slow the moon was. If he was trying to imprison her, I don’t think he would have cared about her as much and wouldn’t marry her.


      • January 22nd, 2012 at 4:42 pm      Reply lucyl2 Says:

        He married her because he won her in battle, but wants to “woo” her also.


  2. January 21st, 2012 at 12:20 am      Reply nikital Says:

    In the above extract, the author, R.W. Dent, claims that the love in Shakespeare’s A Midsummer Night’s Dream never originates from reason. Love may be compatible with it. Love may not go against it. However, as the lovers Hermia and Helena indicate, love is brought forth not by a person’s reasoning, but by their mind, as their imagination reports it. Essentially, love sees not with the eyes but with the part of the mind that has no taste in judgment, Dent’s most important point.
    Overall, I disagree with him. Love proves daily to not have any reasoning to it, any proper judgment, though in the play, the fairies, who have both, can cause it. In fact, the fairies may be the cause of much love. Though Queen Mab, mentioned previously before in Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet, doesn’t seem quite like the sprites we have met, she could very well be the queen of dreams, and therefore, could bring ones of love. All in all, the love we saw created in this play has more origins than the kind we have in reality.


  3. January 21st, 2012 at 12:47 pm      Reply lucyl2 Says:

    In the review above, R.W. Dent explains how in A Midsummer Night’s dream, the reasons that the characters have for loving someone do not come form reason. Love comes from the imagination. Hermia chose Lysander not because of how he looks, but from the way her hopelessly romantic imagination perceived him.
    I think that the most important point that Dent made, was when he mentioned Helena saying that love sees with that part of the mind that has no taste in judgement. There are only some ways in which this is agreeable to me. In A Midsummer Nights Dream, both Demetrius and Lysander fell in love with Helena at one point. It was not because of her beauty, to which they paid no attention to before, but because of the flower that had been shot by Cupid’s arrow. After the nectar was on their eyelid the two of them saw Helena differently because their imagination had been somewhat twisted to do so. At the sam time, I don’t agree that love is not a judgement made by the eyes. It specifically said in the play that Demetrius loved Helena until he SAW Hermia and way taken with her beauty. Also, in Romeo and Juliet, they were only in love with each others appearances. To say that love isn’t influenced by appearances would not be truthful because in many cases, it is.


  4. January 21st, 2012 at 12:55 pm      Reply shianak3 Says:

    R.W. Dent says that love may be consistent with reason but it’s the eyes that choose as Hermia indicated. This critic says that love sees with using the part of the brain that has no judgment. He also says that when we are in love we see the person in our love-stricken imagination. I think the critic is trying to say that when we are deeply in love with someone we only see the good in them and some times we use our imagination to make them seem perfect in our minds. I think the critic’s most important point is that love has no taste of judgment. When we love, we choose someone who fills all the criteria in our imagination, or we fit them to it. This is evident when Hermia has to choose between Demetrius and Lysander. They are both worthy gentlemen but In Hermia’s mind and imagination, influenced by love, to her Lysander is the better suitor. I agree with this critic because it is clear through poetry and sometimes even reality that we love using poor judgment. In many works of Shakespeare we see that characters choose someone to love against reason. This is evident in A Midsummer Night’s Dream and Romeo and Juliet. In A Midsummer Night’s Dream Hermia chooses Lysander over Demetrius because in her love-dictated imagination he is worthier. Also in Romeo and Juliet, Romeo falls in love with his enemy’s daughter, Juliet. Sometimes in reality and in literature, especially Shakespeare, love has very poor judgment.

    One reoccurring theme that I noticed is that we want what we can have. In social studies I was learning about the 1920’s the time of prohibition when alcohol was illegal. All the people wanted to drink more because it was illegal. In fact the drinking rate increased to its highest when it was illegal. Then, when Congress made it legal again the drinking rate went down because no one wanted to because it was illegal. This is similar to A Midsummer Night’s Dream because although Hermia’s father approves of Demetrius, a worthy gentleman she chooses Lysander. Coincidently in Romeo and Juliet Romeo falls in love with Juliet. Although Romeo was unaware of this I find it interesting that it was Juliet who he loved.


  5. January 21st, 2012 at 5:51 pm      Reply tylerf2 Says:

    What W.R. Dent is saying inthe paragraph is that in A Midsummer Night’s Dream, love cannot be compared or assosiated with reason. He states that it could have something to do with reason, like how Lysander was just as good a man as Demitrius in wealth and height in social class and that love in this case will not disagree with reason. However, he also states that when Hermia loves Lysander it is not because of her judgement, but because of her eyes. She adores the looks of Lysander. So when she is forced to choose between Demitrius and Lysander (both are of same wealth and social class), because of the influence of love, Hermia chooses Lysander as the better suitor.

    I persolally agree with the suitor that in poetry, and sometimes even real life, that we often do use poor judgement when blinded by love. This is because when a person loves another person, they often can only see the good in them and not the negatives and when other people point out the negatives to the person in love, it is hard for them to believe. For example, Romeo and Juliet fell in lov with each other instantaniously, but then thy realised that they were each other’s sworn enemy. However, they remained in love because one could not see the bad in the other, but only could see the good. In poetry in general, but often in Shakespeare, people in love have very poor judgement.

    One reoccuring theme that I noticed throughtout Shakespeare’s stories that we have read is that people often want what they cannot have. For example, in A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Oberon wanted Titania’s little indian boy. But the more Titania refused to give him up, the more Oberon wanted possession of him. Also, when Demitrius would constantly be horrible to Helena and refuse to like her in any way, Helena just wanted him even more than before. Furthermore, in Romeo and Juliet, both ROmeo and Juliet knew that they were not supposed to be together because of the family rivalry. But still, they loved each other with a burning passion.


  6. January 21st, 2012 at 6:13 pm      Reply briannab3 Says:

    R.W. Dent is saying that when love starts, it doesn’t have to be reasonable, and it can be against your better judgement because it has to do with what your heart feels, not how your brain thinks. I agree with the critic.You fall in love by feeling, not thinking. That is what the critic is saying; ” Love sees with the part of the mind that has no judgement.”He also says that Hermia’s choice to be with Lysander was decided by her eyes, her vision of Lysander. If Hermia made the choice by doing what was politically or socially “best” for her and her family’s life, she would have chosen Demitrious because that is what her father wanted for her. However, she loved Lysander chose him because she fell in love with him in her heart. Another example of this is in Romeo and Juliet. They fell in love against better judgement. Their families were enemies, but they couldn’t stay away from each other. Also, Theseus falling in love with Hipolyta even if she was an Amazon, someone who hates all men. But Theseus was really trying to woo her, even if it was difficult. In both plays, the girls’ fathers both threaten them if they don’t choose the man they want them to marry. Both Hermia and Juliet went against their parental authority for love. I definitely agree with with Dent, that the origin of love never lies in reason.


    • January 22nd, 2012 at 12:39 pm      Reply nicolea4 Says:

      I like how you added Theseus and Hipolyta to support R. W. Dent’s ideas. Maybe if the fathers in both of the stories hadn’t forced a certain man into their daughters’s lives, then maybe the girls could have gotten to the know the men and actually like them!


  7. January 21st, 2012 at 6:20 pm      Reply sabrinak1 Says:

    The extract states that Shakespeare’s love is not reasonable. The characters only love what is standing right in front of them. When the four lovers in A Midsummer Night’s Dream are swapped around, they do not seem to notice or care that their newfound affections don’t make sense. Their “love at first sight” is, ironically, blind faith. I agree completely with R.W. Dent. The lovers are more like pawns in Puck’s little game. They run all over the place, trying out different combinations, until finally someone can straighten them out again. They have no say in whom they love, which is a little saddening to me. When R.W. Dent says that they are not reasonable about who they love, this is true.


  8. January 22nd, 2012 at 10:19 am      Reply kevinj3 Says:

    R.W. Dent’s excerpt’s most important point is that love never lies in reason. Love is like a library book, not afraid to change owners and allegiances. This is proven in A Midsummer Night’s Dream, if not so much in Romeo and Juliet, where Romeo and Juliet are in love with each other throughout most of the play.

    Dent states that love is created by the part of the mind that has no taste in judgement, the part that impulsiveness comes from. Love doesn’t have to have a concrete reason to be there, it can exist because of one’s vision of it, more mentally than physically. In the play and excerpt, Hermia’s decisions to rebel against her parental demands are “unreasonable”. Lysander and Demetrius are almost no different in manner and are of the same class. But in Hermia’s mind, Lysander is the worthier gentleman because of the vision of herself with him. Love can take random turns, often unfounded by better judgement. I mostly agree with Dent’s points. I agree with his main argument, that love’s origin never lies in reason. The fairies play a large role in this story, possessing the magical love nectar, when dabbed to one’s eye will make them be infatuated with the next person the see. This kind of power changes the plot greatly in the play. For example, when the nectar is given to Titania, she becomes in love with Bottom, who has a donkey’s head. She would not love Bottom out of reason, but only if magical interference played a part in it.

    Also, people naturally want what they are not allowed to have. This is proven many times in the play. Oberon’s want for the small Indian boy, protected by Titania is unreasonable and only driven by his innate desires. This leads him to use the nectar in order to get what he wants.


    • January 22nd, 2012 at 6:02 pm      Reply leonl2 Says:

      Reason depends on the person. Something that may seem reasonable to someone may seem unreasonable to someone else. We may think that what Hermia did was unreasonable, but to her, it may be perfectly reasonable.

      This is in a way like a dream, where reason has a tendency to change. The dream is entirely reasonable until you wake up.


      • January 22nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm      Reply nicholasm14 Says:

        I agree with you. Something being reasonable or unreasonable really does depend on the person. I also agree with what you said about this being like a dream. In the dream, everything makes sense. When we wake up and as the day goes on, the dream makes less and less sense.


  9. January 22nd, 2012 at 11:01 am      Reply benjaminf Says:

    In the review above, R.W Dent says that love in A Midsummer Night’s Dream never lies in reason. He backs his thesis up with evidence that Lysander was a great prospect as a husband because he was a “worthy gentleman” and had a “healthy imagination,” but Hermia loves him not for those reasons, but for the reason that only her eyes loved Lysander although those good traits would have been a valid reason for her to love him. Dent also provides evidence because he says that Helena said that “love sees with the part of the mind that tastes no judgment,” He says that when all is done, what Helena said is true for all the other lovers in the play. Dent also says that this may not be true because Hermia had another reason to love Lysander, which would be that Lysander wasn’t her parents first choice and she didn’t like listening to her parents, that fact might have factored into her reason for loving Lysander.
    I think that Dent’s most important point was when Dent wrote that Helena said that “love sees with the part of the mind that tastes no judgment,” I think this is the most important point because what she says is pretty much another way of saying Dent’s thesis which is love never lies in reason.
    I think that I disagree with Dent because in my opinion, love always lies in reason, and I think love based on someone is pleasing to the eye is still a reason because that in my opinion is no different than loving someone based on their personality. I disagree with Dent because there is always a reason for love, whatever the reason is, it’s still a reason.


  10. January 22nd, 2012 at 11:45 am      Reply Ben E. Says:

    The critic R.W. Dent states a point that Shakespeare has stated time and time again. The author brings up the point that love is not reasonable. He uses the example of Hermia in the sense that she loves Lysander with her eyes. Even though Demetrius and Lysander are on the same tier in the Athenian social hierarchy. This example, and the example that Helena loves Demetrius because of how he looks are both valid, and I agree with them.
    I also think that the critic’s main issue in his work should not be something that was stated directly many times within the play. Not only can you include his two examples, which he backs up with direct quotes from the play, but also Theseus’ comparison of lovers to madmen, and poets. He says that lovers see “Helen’s beauty in a brow of Egypt”. Even Bottom the lowest of the low would be smart enough to realize that! Although I agree with the author, to me it is a very obvious theme in the play, and you would have to have been pretty oblivious not to notice it.
    The author also says that this is different for Helena because she is against parental authority. This I disagree with. All of the lovers who are children are against parental authority. If you were Helena’s parents would you want your child to chase around some man that is betrothed to another? It’s an embarrassment. If you were Romeo or Juliet’s parents in Romeo and Juliet, would you want your sole child to be in love with your sworn enemy? In Romeo and Juliet’s case we know they didn’t want it. What kind of parent would allow their child to be blinded by love with someone that the parents themselves didn’t like, or that was betrothed, or even married? The author puts out a lot of already known, and incorrect points.


  11. January 22nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm      Reply nicolea4 Says:

    R. W. Dent is saying that when someone falls in love, there is no reason behind it and that person decides without using judgement, but with his or her heart. I think R. W. Dent’s most important point is that love sees with the part of the mind that has no taste of judgement. I agree with the critic; you don’t think about who you fall in love with, you just feel an attraction to that person. This is true with the four Athenian lovers in A Midsummer Night’s Dream. Even though Hermia’s father chooses Demetrius for her, Hermia cannot stop how she feels towards Lysander. She is not thinking about who she should choose, but rather how she is feeling towards them. Despite Demetrius’s harsh treatment to Helena, she still loves him for some reason. She is not thinking about how much he tells her he does not love her, she just feels so strongly toward him. R. W. Dent’s most important point in this extract also applies to the love between Romeo and Juliet. Even though both Romeo and Juliet know that they are forbidden to see each other and that it is a bad idea, they could not stay apart. I agree with R. W. Dent that love is not dictated by reason or judgment, but by the heart.


  12. January 22nd, 2012 at 1:15 pm      Reply Anton Says:

    R.W. Dent talks about how in “A Midsummer Night’s Dream,” love love is never derived from reason. It can however, be reasonable (he uses the argument that although Hermia’s love for Lysander is not derived from reason, he is a worthy gentleman so it does go alongside it). Love will not exceedingly oppose reason. As Hermia said though, her choice is not finalized by her judgment, but “eyes” which present Lysander to her greater than he may be, this vision being influenced by love. He mentions that Helena says a similar thing. The authors most important point is that love does not originate from reason. Although this is not always true, for the most part, I agree with him. If love had originated from reason, than Hermia would have chosen Demetrius, and Juliet would have chosen Paris. An exception to this is Helena loving Demetrius because he loved her, but to continue loving him was unreasonable. Even Hippolyta would have decided to love Theseus, as they are getting married.


  13. January 22nd, 2012 at 1:24 pm      Reply carak1 Says:

    In A Midsummer Night’s Dream love is not dictated by reason, though reason can sometimes align with love. Lysander is a worthy gentleman but that is not why Hermia loves him. She loves him by the judgement of her eyes, by the vision of him she sees influenced by love. Helena loves with her eyes too. She does not care about the bad traits of Demetrius. All she can think is that she loves him unconditionally.

    I think that the strongest point is that people in A Midsummer Night’s Dream love with their eyes rather than with their minds. I agree with this idea. All the relationships seem fairly blindfolded in this play. The lovers think they are in true love with each other, but really, they all just see what they want to see from each other. Eventually, fairy magic sorts things out and so the lovers will never see the bad things of one another. I think the most real example of true love is Titania and Oberon. They fight but they reconcile. The rest of the lovers are more shallow, and I don’t think any of these pairings would last forever in the real world. I feel like Demetrius would end up cheating on Helena and Hermia and Lysander would eventually fight too much and get a divorce. This is also true in Romeo and Juliet. Those lovers love just for appearances; they meet and exchange love vows in only a few hours! As much as we criticize them, we are very similar. I have started to crush on people before I even knew them based on looks only. First the initial attraction, then the personality. It’s human instinct to like people for their beauty, going back to symmetrical faces. I think these stories are there to remind us to think when we fall in love. Don’t let your mind be ruled by it, and don’t forget to think for yourself.


  14. January 22nd, 2012 at 2:01 pm      Reply amandaf2 Says:

    The author’s most important point is that love never lies in reason. That means that there is not a reason that you fall in love. You do not think about falling in love. You’re feelings decide who you love. The critic also says that love is not based on judgment, it is based on a vision of someone, and your imagination. This relates to Romeo and Juliet. Romeo and Juliet still fall in love, even though it is against their better judgment. Even though their families hate each other, Romeo and Juliet don’t let it interfere with their love. I agree with the critic. People know that they love someone due to their feelings. They don’t use their brain to actually decide who they love. There is no exact reason that you love one person and not someone else. The critic makes good points about Shakespearean love, and about love in general.


  15. January 22nd, 2012 at 2:42 pm      Reply sharonm1 Says:

    In R.W Dent’s review of a Mid Summer Night’s dream, the critic explains that the origin of love does not lie in reason. Love is founded in imagination. Hermia chose Lysander and Helena chose Demetrius because of how they perceived the other in the eyes of their imagination.

    R.W Dent made a statement that love sees with that part of the mind that has no taste of judgment. In Act I Helena’s speech is reflective of this statement by Dent. Helena says that love has no taste in judgment, which is why cupid is painted blind. I tend to agree with critic that love is how your imagination perceives it but I disagree that love only looks with the mind and not the eyes. At one point in the play, both Lysander and Demetrius were in love with Helena because the nectar shot by Cupid’s arrow twisted their imagination. Before the nectar was applied to their eyes, neither Lysander nor Demetrius paid any attention to Helena’s beauty. Moreover, Demetrius rejected Helena and fell in love with Hermia when he saw Hermia’s beauty.
    The same scenario plays itself in Shakespeare’s, Romeo and Juliet. They fell deeply in love after seeing each other, which indicates it was based on their appearance. Romeo was drawn to Juliet’s beauty. Had Juliet been ugly, Romeo wouldn’t have acknowledged her at the Capulet’s party.

    Even though, I tend to never judge people by their appearance, I see that many people base their impressions on others based on appearance or what they see. This is a common theme in most of the stories written by Shakespeare and other authors. This is why I think that it is wrong to say people look at love with only their minds and not their eyes because love is to some extent influenced by appearance. The initial interest in someone is usually starts with the impact of their overall appearance or bearing.


  16. January 22nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm      Reply coryannm2 Says:

    In A Midsummer Night’s Dream, the spark of love ignites in the part of the brain where reason does not dwell. Love may still seem reasonable at times, for example: Lysander is a worthy gentleman, but that is not the reason Hermia loves him. Hermia tells us that her love was not dictated by reason, but by her imagination that has been influenced by love, which has no reason. Helena also says that love sees with part of the brain that is beyond judgement. This is true for several characters and Hermia, although her choice conflicts with her parent’s choice.
    The critic’s most important point is that “In A Midsummer Night’s Dream the origin of love never lies in reason.” I agree with the critic in saying that love never lies in reason. We have read and discussed the love seen in both Romeo and Juliet and A Midsummer Night’s Dream, and yet, we have not seen love dictated by reason. There was not a reason that Romeo and Juliet loved each other, they just did. We have yet to find the reason for true love and why it happens, and we never will, because there is not a reason.


  17. January 22nd, 2012 at 3:02 pm      Reply bridgetd1 Says:

    R. W. Dent says that in A Midsummer Night’s Dream, love never starts for a reason, but is not exactly opposed to reason. He points out that Hermia tells her father that Lysander is “a worthy gentleman” so she should be able to love him. But he also points out that her eyes decided she loved him, meaning that she loves him for his appearance. Also, Helena says that love comes from a part of the mind that has no judgment. Dent says that this is true with Hermia because when she has to choose between Demetrius and Lysander she does not even consider Demetrius, even though they are both equal gentlemen.

    I think that Dent’s most important point is that love has no judgment. I agree with the critic’s points. Love can sometimes be blind and have no real reason behind it. Someone might come up with a few reasons but they might just be to cover up the fact that they do not have a reason or they do not know it. Theseus and Hippolyta are an example of this idea. Theseus is in love with Hippolyta even though she was queen of a man-hating island. Also, Romeo and Juliet are an example. They fall in love with each other based on their appearances. And Juliet’s father wants Juliet to marry Paris, like Hermia’s father wanted her to marry Demetrius. Like Hermia, Juliet does not even consider Paris.


  18. January 22nd, 2012 at 3:49 pm      Reply michaelt10 Says:

    What is being said in the article is that love is somewhat crazy. It can either be consistent or out of control. Hermia’s origin of love is in her eyes, and not her judgment. This means she doesn’t care about the person or how it affects her life, but the way the person looks. He then goes and says that the part of the brain that is in charge of love has no judgment. This relates to how Hermia loves Lysander even though the law does not allow it, which is a decision that lacks judgment. I think the authors most important point is that they are lacking judgment in there love. This is important because they are easily changed throughout the play. If they truly cared about something else than looks, they would not be changed so easily. I agree with this. It also comes up in Romeo and Juliet. They don’t even know each other, but are instantly in love. They use poor judgment considering their families hate each other.


    • January 22nd, 2012 at 5:55 pm      Reply leonl2 Says:

      I agree that this comes up in Romeo and Juliet. It was more than just against the law for Juliet to marry Romeo, just like it was against the law for Hermia to run away with Lysander and disobeying her father at the same time.


  19. January 22nd, 2012 at 5:18 pm      Reply amandaj3 Says:

    R. W. Dent’s review is very fascinating. He says that love is steady and consistent. He explains that love does not come from reason in Midsummer Night’s Dream. He critiques that Hermia loves with her eyes and that she has no judgment. The theme, Appearance vs. Reality, has a great role in Midsummer Night’s Dream, as it did in the novel, Great Expectations by Charles Dickens. I think Hermia loves Lysander but “sees with that part of the mind that has no taste of judgment.” In Romeo and Juliet, Romeo loves Juliet for her looks but they have never really known each other. In Great Expectations, Pip loves Estella because she is beautiful. People’s appearances really make a difference in love.

    I think the critic’s most important point in this review was how he said love had no judgment. This happens in a lot of our literature that we read. Romeo and Juliet is a good example. Romeo and Juliet could have loved anyone else but they choose each other, above all people! When they fell in love, you couldn’t stop them. Their love created so many problems which caused them to die in the end. Another example of how love has no judgment is Oberon and Titania, king and queen of the fairies in Midsummer Night’s Dream. They act like an old couple. I don’t think they love each other as much because they always bicker and argue. They want what they can’t have. In social studies, we learned about prohibition in the 1920s a.k.a the Golden Age. The government banned alcohol in America and shut down all the bars. A lot of people were distraught and upset. Then people who wanted alcohol made homemade alcohol and went to secret bars. The people in the Golden Age wanted something that they couldn’t have which made them want it even more. Some people think if we legalize drugs today, maybe people would stop using it. In Midsummer Night’s Dream, Oberon wanted the little Indian boy just because Titania had it. He wanted something that he couldn’t have and I kind of think it’s a little bit childish of him.


  20. January 22nd, 2012 at 5:29 pm      Reply anjuv1 Says:

    In the excerpt written by R.W Dent, he says that in A Midsummer Night’s Dream, love doesn’t involve reason. When a person falls in love, it is their choice to decide if they truly love him/her. In the passage the critic talks about Hermia and her love for Lysander. He is saying how in Hermia’s mind, as well as her imagination she believes she is meant to be with Lysander. I agree with R.W Dent about how love is perceived and how it doesn’t always involve some sort of explanation or reason.

    The most important point the critic makes is when he restates a line Helena says in A Midsummer Night’s Dream. She says, “Love sees with that part of the mind that has no judgment.” I agree with her. She is trying to saying that when someone is in love, they judge if they feel something between the two of them. You don’t think of who you fall in love with, it just happens to be like that. They have no judgment but just feel if it’s right.

    While reading this passage, I had thought of a connection between the author’s except and Romeo and Juliet. Many people believe love is related to destiny. In Romeo and Juliet, Romeo talks about how he had a bad dream that something is going to happen to cause an earlier death for him. In his reply, he says that either way destiny will lead his life. This shows that some people believe love is just within their imagination, while others believe it is a part of their life/destiny.


  21. January 22nd, 2012 at 5:53 pm      Reply leonl2 Says:

    I think the author’s most important point is that love sees with that part of the mind that has no judgement. The above extract first mentions that love wasn’t made to be reasonable, but lovers sometimes base their love on reason, for example, whether or not somebody is good in appearance, etc.

    Another important theme that was mentioned is that a lover , for example Hermia, doesn’t love with real judgement, but with the eye. This shows that the lovers only really care about each others’ appearances. A connection can be made to Romeo and Juliet, who really only loved each other because of their looks.

    I agree with this author’s look on love. In the love stories we have read so far, the lovers are exactly how Dent describes them, and use their eyes far more than their judgement.

    Hope everyone has a happy and successful Year of the Dragon.


  22. January 22nd, 2012 at 6:24 pm      Reply innag2 Says:

    R.W. Dent is talking about one of the main themes of A Midsummer Night’s Dream, how love never lies in reason. I think that’s his most important point out of the entire text that he wrote, because it really explains the entire concept of this play, like Hermia’s love for Lysander, Helena’s love for Demetrius, and Demetrius’ love for Hermia. They do not see each other’s faults, for they are son deeply enamored with each other, and their falling in love makes no sense in any one else’s eyes. This happens in Romeo and Juliet, too, because Romeo and Juliet fall in love against all odds, for their families are arch rivals, and they have nothing in common, and they’ve never even had a proper conversation. But like R.W. Dent states, the origin of love never lies in reason. I think that’s an AMAZING quote and should be posted on Tumblr and on Facebook, because it makes a lot of sense to what love really is. It shows that love doesn’t make sense, and really, it shouldn’t, because if it was cool and collected, it wouldn’t be romantic, and passionate. I absolutely agree with R.W. Dent on this one.


  23. January 22nd, 2012 at 9:41 pm      Reply nicholasm14 Says:

    R. W. Dent makes a very interesting point about love in A Midsummer Night’s Dream: love is not dictated by reason. However, it is not entirely against reason either. It also incorporates imagination as well, in which we use our imagination to make someone we deeply love even better. He uses Hermia as an example of this concept because she chose to be with Lysander based on her vision of him and how she saw him in her imagination. She made this choice without using reason, and she became married to Lysander in the end. The point of this example is that although her father wanted her to marry Demetrius and although he was an equally worthy gentleman when compared to Lysander, she chose Lysander anyway. R. W. Dent also mentions Helena’s view of love, which is that love uses the part of the brain that does not have judgement. This reinforces the critic’s example of Hermia choosing Lysander in spite of going against her father’s wishes.

    Overall, Dent’s main point is that love uses the part of the brain that lacks judgement. I agree with R. W. Dent because it is evident in literature and sometimes in real life that people in love usually have poor judgement. Many of Shakespeare’s plays have this concept within them. One example is Romeo and Juliet. Of all of the people to fall in love with in the city of Verona, Romeo and Juliet chose to fall in love with each other when their families are enemies. They choose not to use their own judgement, which leads to a secret marriage between them and their deaths. Another example is A Midsummer Night’s Dream. Hermia chose to be with Lysander when her father wanted her to marry the equally worthy Demetrius because she didn’t use her judgement and Lysander appeared worthier in her imagination. Theseus and Hippolyta are getting married even though Hippolyta doesn’t want to marry Theseus and dreads every passing day as they approach their marriage. This concept of love having poor judgement can even be traced to Great Expectations. Pip loved Estella because of her beauty even though she mistreated and insulted him.

    Although the critic didn’t mention that people want what they can’t have, it ties in with this theme very well. Romeo and Juliet couldn’t be together because their families were enemies, but their love was still burning strong. In a way, Hermia couldn’t have Lysander because her father wanted her to marry Demetrius. This made her want Lysander even more and contributed to her choosing him.


  24. January 22nd, 2012 at 10:29 pm      Reply ashleys2 Says:

    In this extract, James G. McManaway is saying that in Midsummer Night’s Dream, people don’t love each other for themselves, but only for looks. One example of this is with Hermia. She falls in love with Lysander only based on his appearence. The author points out that in the beginning of the passage Helena says that people fall in love with the part of the brain that has no judgement. This is true for many of the characters, but the fairies’ magic also contributes to the fact that the characters fall in love too easily. For example, when Puck put the magical love potion on Lysander’s eyes, he falls in love with Hermia very quickly and only based on appearence. Also Hermia’s choice of Lysander, who she loves for reason and not just looks, in the beginning of the play, is influenced a bit by parental control because her father Egeus won’t let her marry Lysander. I agree with McManaway because it is definitley true that most of the characters in the play have no judgement over who they are in love with. Even Theseus isn’t really in love with Hipolyta; he just captured her in battle and forced her to marry him because he thought she was pretty. Love and reason don’t go hand in hand in this play.


  25. January 22nd, 2012 at 10:53 pm      Reply harrisond1 Says:

    R. W. Dent expressed his view on love in “A Midsummer Night’s Dream”. He said that love does not originate from reason, but reason may be consistent with love. His example was that Lysander was a “worthy gentleman” with a gentle imagination and that he did not rebel against reason. However, Hermia’s love was dictated by her imagination and her beliefs that Lysander was perfect. She thought that Lysander was perfect and looked passed his bad sides. Helena said that love was controlled by the part of the brain that ignored reason. This was true for Hermia, even though her love was interfered with by her parents. I think the authors most important point was how love never lies in reason. This theme is shown throughout the story of “A Midsummer Night’s Dream” and he expanded upon this point well, giving many details and examples. I agree with the author’s point. Usually when we love, we overlook the bad parts of that person, and only focus on the good side. Sometimes we love somebody on their looks without knowing their true personality. In the play, this was shown as well through Theseus and Hippolyta’s marriage. Dent made many points about love and reason in “A Midsummer Night’s Dream”.


  26. January 22nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm      Reply alwynp2 Says:

    R.W Dent is trying to say that how love began is never reasonable. “Love” in A Midsummer Night’s Dream is never really love. It is love at first sight. Except this time, you are going to be in love with whomever you see! Hermia truly loves Lysander, even though her father prefers Demetrius. I agree with the author when he says that the lovers lack judgment. Sure, Hermia likes Lysander because he sang to her below her windowsill. Don’t you think that happened also because of his physical looks? One example is Romeo and Juliet. They did not even know each other and the next day they get married! If your mom said that you couldn’t have a cookie or something, wouldn’t you be even more tempted. I saw how a couple of people talked about Social Studies. Since the quarterly is tomorrow, I will also make a reference. The 18th Amendment banned alcohol. However, that didn’t stop the most people! Bootleggers actually hid alcohol in their boots. There were secret pubs. In fact, alcohol consumption hit an all time high! You want what you can’t have.


  27. January 23rd, 2012 at 12:06 am      Reply anthonym9 Says:

    R.W. Dent is saying that the love in A Midsummer Nights Dream is not true love. He is saying that Lysander is a worthy gentleman meaning he looks beautiful to Hermia, who is in love through her eyes not her heart. Dent is saying that in this play, the characters fall in love with whomever they see first. this is true with Helena because when she first say Demetrius they fell in love, but then Demetrius sees Hermia and falls for her instead. He is saying that the love in this playis fake and not true love. This can be compared. To Romeo and Juliet because they fell in love the first time they met. Another example of this love is Theseus and Hyppolyta’s love. Theseus won her in battle, so thats why the are getting married.I agree with the author because I feel like the love is too easily turned on and off throughout the play. If it was true love, the love would last through all of the fairy magic.


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