April 29

I am amazed and know not what to say.

First you must read Act III, scene ii all the way through and then comment.

As we have done before, though, I am not providing a prompt for this blog.   Rather, I would like you to create your own conversation here.  You must write a comment either addressing a topic, line, or issue about this scene (or any previous scene) and respond with depth to at least one of your classmates’ blogs.

Let’s continue our class discussions on line and see where the conversation takes us.

Be thou not amazed!

MND blog #4

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Posted April 29, 2019 by equinson in category A Midsummer Night's Dream

30 thoughts on “I am amazed and know not what to say.

  1. maxwellw

    The confusion in Act III continues to heighten, as the Athenian lovers and the fairies occupy the stage simultaneously, often without seeing each other. In this scene Helena, who is unable to fathom that both men could be in love with her, assumes that Hermia is involved in the joke that she believes the men are playing on her, and she chides Hermia furiously for treating their friendship so lightly. The comedy is at its silliest, and the characters are at their most extreme: Helena and Hermia nearly come to blows as a result of their physical insecurities, and Lysander and Demetrius actually try to have a duel. The plot seems to be at its most chaotic so far.

    1. angelicac1

      I agree that the plot seems to be at its most chaotic during this scene. Hermia and Helena were both confused on what was going on, but they automatically started to blame each other for the situation. It’s funny on what love can do to change former strong friendships. Most true and strong friendships are able to withstand misunderstandings, but love can always cause things to become very chaotic, like this scene.

    2. Mylesn

      I agree, with both of these story lines intersecting so often the plot gets completely messed up. I think Shakespeare is showing how these groups should stay out of this. Only when Oberon butts in and tries to “help” Helena, he creates more problems.

  2. Kate Ma.

    In this scene we see more characters personalities, specifically Hermia and Helena’s. They both remind me of girls our age, bickering over boys and appearences. Helena continues to point out Hermia’s height and they are both fighting over boys, which eventually puts a dent into their friendship. I believe that Helena is insecure. For example she wonders how both of these boys could love her and in previous acts she even goes as far as calling herself ugly. On the other hand, Hermia seems to be the pretty friend that everyone loves (up until now) and she doesn’t strike me as insecure. Although this might change because no boys are swooning over her. Hermia and Helena’s positions switched. I’m curious to see how things will sort out.

  3. angelicac1

    Something I noticed while reading Act III, scene ii in a Midsummer Night’s Dream was how jealousy can change everything if somebody doesn’t act to stop it. Hermia expressed in this scene of how she felt betrayed by Helena, but it’s ironic since at the beginning of the play, Helena was the jealous individual. Hermia always had everything Helena would wish for, which was love from Demetrius. She was jealous because Demetrius liked Hermia even though she didn’t like him back. Soon Hermia started to feel jealous of Helena because Lysander fell in love with her after the potion was used on him. To make matters more hurtful for Hermia, just before she and Lysander fell asleep, he told her that he would never love anyone but her.

    After finding out that Lysander was now in love with her best friend, Hermia placed the blame of the situation on her best friend instead of fully analyzing the problem. She started to call Helena things like a thief of love and a canker blossom (implying that she was common, unimportant, and easily used by others rather than having her own worth). Hermia begun to grow furious because she had no clue as to why everything was happening and suddenly she was being reprimanded by her best friend. Before I thought that the friendship between the two of these women was strong enough to withstand a simple misunderstanding, but of course love is never a simple misunderstanding to people.

    1. josepha4

      I agree that jealousy can make people act strangely. Before I thought that Hermia and Helena were inseparable but then Hermia loses her love and all of a sudden they’re at each other’s throats.

  4. Mylesn

    The flower that Oberon had planned to use to fix all his problems is creating more than it is fixing. He had originally instructed puck to apply the potion onto an Athenian man, but it had been the wrong man. This causes Lysander to fall for Helena and leaves Hermia. In an effort to fix things Oberon causes more problems by tell Puck to put the potion onto the other man’s eyes. By doing this he makes both Lysander and Dimitrius fall in love with Helena who cannot believe that both men could love her. This in turn causes more problems between Hermia and Helena and their friendship. I believe this could have been avoided simply if Oberon stayed out of it.

  5. josepha4

    The topic I think is important to discuss is the argument between Hermia and Helena. Because of Pucks blunder the two men, Lysander and Demetrius both are in love with Helena (instead of Hermia). The roles for the two woman are reversed considering Hermia is the one that had all the mens attention, but now, due to the flower Helena is t center of attention and Hermia is jealous. Their behavior is very child like and foolish considering they are willing to trade blows with one another. Helena however, at first believed that she was the punch line of a joke that Lysander had come up with and in fact got upset at his compliments because she took them as insults. I’m interested how the play will end and who will marry who because as of now the love circle is very confusing and changing.

      1. Hannah McKiverkin

        I agree, Puck and the flower have changed this story a lot with their mistakes. Especially with the love circle for now no one loves Hermia.

  6. jane

    The concept that came to my attention was that on page 97.

    Is all the counsel that we two have shared,
    The sisters’ vows, the hours that we have spent
    When we have chid the hasty-footed time
    For parting us – O, is all forgot?

    And will you rent our ancient love asunder,
    To join with men in scorning your poor friend?

    (lines 203-221)

    Within all of the chaos caused by the love potion, everyone becomes upset. Demetrius is in love with Helena, and has to compete against Lysander, who is annoyed at Hermia because she won’t leave him alone. Hermia is then furious at Lysander for leaving her, and at Helena for “stealing Lysander’s heart”. Helena feels like everyone is mocking her and feels attacked by Hermia because she had no control over the men falling in love with her, and all she wants is to be friends with Hermia again. The above passage just shows how deep the situation goes. It is not about who likes who, but more on that how much damage it is doing to Helena and Hermia’s relationship. In my opinion, their relationship is the one that matters most in the plot. They are best friends and have been forever, and it is very sad to see their relationship get torn apart because of a love potion. Although it is important to settle the love triangle with Demetrius, Lysander and Helena, in the end the closest bond should be between Helena and Hermia because they are like sisters and shouldn’t let their romances get between them.

  7. Laila Sayegh

    In Act III, scene ii, the complicated relationships between Demetrius, Helena, Lysander and Hermia grow even more confusing than they already were. After Puck mistakingly makes Demetrius and Lysander both fall for Helena, tensions grow between Helena and Hermia. Helena is having a hard time comprehending the fact that both of these men love her due to all of her insecurities. Hermia is now jealous of Helena because Lysander loves Helena more than her. This leads to a brawl between the two girls. They call each other harsh names and even insult one anothers appearances. It is crazy to see how men and love can alter a once strong friendship in an instant. In the end, we all know that everyone will end up happily married. It will be interesting to see how that all comes to be because right now, there is a lot of conflict among the group.

    1. trinityt

      Yes, I agree. It’s interesting how love and men can affect a strong friendship like Helena’s and Hermia’s.

    2. stephaniec

      I agree. I find it hard to believe that by the end of the novel that all the characters will be married because, as we can see, there is a lot that could go wrong and a lot that needs fixing.

  8. trinityt

    In Act III, scene ii of A Midsummer’s Night Dream, the relationship between the four individuals, Helena, Hermia, Lysander, and Demetrius, has became more complicated than before. The tension between Helena and Hermia grows after Lysander falls in love with Helena because of the flower. The two girls even called each other harsh names and insulted each other as well. It’s surprising to see what love and men can do to a strong friendship like Helena’s and Hermia’s. Since Hermia has no idea what was even going on, she puts all the blame on Helena because Lysander loves her (Helena).

    We also see how things Oberon wanted to turn out vs. how things actually turns out when he got involved. Originally, Oberon intended to use the flower on Demetrius to make him fall in love with Helena so that things could be solved. However, Puck used the flower on Lysander instead of Demetrius, resulting in Lysander falling in love with Helena. Now, things has gotten much more complicated.

    1. Mikayla Friedman

      Things surely did not go as Oberon planned! But when you go back to the beginning of this mess, all Oberon wanted to do was to make Demetrius fall in love with Helena since she loved him so much. He had good intentions but things didn’t go as he planned. However, Oberon probably wouldn’t have interfered in the humans’ affairs if he didn’t want to make his wife fall in love with a beast to get the Indian boy. I think this whole big mess can be traced back to the fight between Oberon and Titania about the Indian boy.

  9. stephaniec

    Throughout this scene I noticed a theme relating to the different ways love affects people. For most of the play up until now, both Lysander and Demetrius loved Hermia. Although, the man Helena loves, Demetrius, loves her best friend Hermia, it hasn’t put a big strain on their friendship. However, now that both Lysander and Demetrius love Helena, their friendship is blown into parts. They got into a heated argument and began to call each other names. This is interesting because just before, their situation was exactly the opposite but it did not cause as much trouble. In addition, Demetrius and Lysander were planning to duel to win the heart of Helena. But none of this happened when things were the other way around.

  10. Mikayla Friedman

    I found it interesting how in this scene, the two women and the two men both got into fights with each other. Hermia and Helena fought because Helena thinks that Hermia sent Lysander after her as a joke. Helena doesn’t think that Lysander’s love for her is real, and so she blames Hermia. Demetrius and Lysander fight over Helena. Neither of them actually love her; Puck has given them both the love potion. But, they think they are in love, and since this potion is so strong they will do anything to win Helena over.
    Also, I think it is important to see how Helena and Hermia fought versus how Demetrius and Lysander fought. Helena and Hermia verbally bashed each other. Helena accused Hermia of betraying her even though they are best friends. Helena says:
    Injurious Hermia, most ungrateful maid!
    Have you conspired, have you with these contrived
    To bait me with this foul derision?
    Is all the counsel that we two have shar’d,
    The sisters’ vows, the hours that we have spent,
    When we have chid the hasty-footed time
    For parting us—O, is all forgot?
    All school-days friendship, childhood innocence? (III,ii,200-207)
    Helena is basically telling Hermia that she broke the girl code or the best friend code. On the other hand, as soon as Lysander and Demetrius disagree, they want to physically fight each other with swords to determine who is worthy of Helena. Is Shakespeare trying to point out the differences between the behavior of young men and young women? Is there a difference between how the women handled their argument and how the men did?

    1. Brishti

      I really like the points you bring up here. I think that Shakespeare is trying to convey the message that in general, young men and young women usually act like this. It also brings up a really interesting point about how men and women both hurt each other equally, but in different ways. It is well established in society that whenever men face rivalries, they have to physically confront each other and “fight like a man” for what they want, especially if it’s a girl. Girs, however, normally cause pain through words and personal attacks on the other one’s appearence and character. Both hurt, but in different ways, and Shakespeare is highlighting this issue through the actions of the four Athenian lovers.

  11. caseyz

    In this scene, I noticed the arising conflicts between Helena and Hermia. When Puck was sent to make Demetrius fall in love with Helena, he confused Demetrius with Lysander and caused Lysander to forget about his love for Hermia and fall in love with Helena. In an effort to fix this, Puck ended up causing Demetrius to fall in love with Helena too. Demetrius and Lysander are fighting over Helena and Hermia is left with no one chasing after her, opposed to both of the men fighting over her in the beginning of the novel. Hermia gets extremely mad at Helena and blames her for this whole problem. This shows the difference between Helena and Hermia. In the beginning of the play, both Demetrius and Lysander were in love with Hermia. Although Helena was upset that Demetrius loved Hermia instead of her, she never blamed Hermia for it or got mad at her because of Demetrius’s actions. She just tried her best to make Demetrius fall in love with her again. Now the tables have turned and Hermia is extremely jealous of Helena. Helena cared more about her friendship with Hermia than her relationship with Demetrius. Even though she loved Demetrius, she put Hermia first which is why she never blamed her for Demetrius not being in love with her. Hermia is the opposite and cares. more about her relationship with Lysander which led her to be so angry at Helena in this scene.

  12. Zoe

    Act III, scene ii provided a very different relationship between Lysander, Demetrius, Helena, and Hermia than we have seen before in the play. The most surprising change in relationship is Demetrius and Helena. Earlier Demetrius was refusing Helena’s love and threatening even to hurt her if it doesn’t stop, but now the tables have turned. This scene shows Demetrius suddenly falling in love with Helene, but she is now refusing his love. The same thing happens with Lysander, Hermia, and Helena because Helena once was jealous of their love, but now they have broken apart and Hermia is jealous of Helena. What once was all of the men fawning over Hermia is now all the men loving Helena. This is definitely a huge turning point in A Midsummer Nights Dream, however, Puck may have turned it completely back with the flower.

  13. Sophie

    In Act 3 scene ii, Helena and Hermia reached a turning point in their relationship. As we all know, Helena and Hermia have been best friends all of their lives. However, now that Puck’s mischievous, magical flower has caused many of the characters to fall in love with one another, tension between the two girls has arisen. Under the flower’s spell, Lysander fell in love with Helena which was a big problem because Demetrius already loved her. Helena is angry at both men because she believes they are simply mocking her. Helena has been single for a long time and to have two men suddenly fall head over heels for her, seemed suspicious. In fact it was, on account of the flower. However, with both aristocratic men going after Helena, Hermia got mad. Lysander used to love her, but now he has traded Hermia for her best friend. Everybody knows that you don’t steal your best friend’s man or woman. As the scene comes to an end, the girls get into a heated argument where they express their feelings towards one another. Both feel like they are being treated unfairly and blame each other for it.

  14. Maddie

    In Act III, scene ii of A Midsummer Night’s Dream, there is a huge dispute between Hermia, Helena, Lysander, and Demetrius. Puck finds out that he made a mistake when he put the flower on Lysander’s eyes. He tries to fix the mistake by putting the flower then on Demetrius’ eyes as well. Now both men are in love with Helena. Throughout this scene, we see that Helena is insecure about herself and thinks that it is impossible for both Lysander and Demetrius to suddenly love her. Though their actions show it, she refuses to believe that both of them have fallen for her. She thinks it is a joke and they are just mocking her. Even though Helena is in love with Demetrius, she doesn’t accept the thought that he now loves her. This is because he has expressed that he didn’t like her many times in the past. It is also strange that Helena would think that Hermia was in on the prank. They are best friends, and best friends should trust each other. This shows that their relationship was not very strong, otherwise Helena would not assume that Hermia was mocking her.

  15. Hannah P.

    Throughout Act III, the relationships between the four lovers intensified accidentally due to an outside force (Puck). Oberon told Puck to put the nectar of the flower on Helena’s lover, who shall be noticed by the Athenian clothing that he was wearing. Puck thought Lysander was Helena’s lover and caused him to fall in love with Helena instead of Hermia. This causes Helena to get mad at Hermia because she believes that this is a trick that Hermia did to make Helena jealous. Only when Demetrius is put under the same “spell” does Helena realize what is happening. Both Helena and Hermia are suffering because of the mistake of something that was out of their control. This is interesting to me because Puck was trying to help Helena out, but instead, he made the problem worse. It shows that no matter how high on the social ladder you are, your actions still affect those around you, no matter who they are or what their social stature is.

  16. Hannah M.

    While reading this scene I noticed how the love “triangle” effects all of Hermia, Helena, Lysander and Demetrius’ friendship. AFter Puck uses the flower on Lysander causing Lysander to fall in love with Helena, Helena becomes angry with Lysander because she thinks Lysander is fooling her and mocking her. The same goes for Demetrius. Demetrius also falls in love with Helena because of the flower and now Helena is mad at both Lysander and Demetrius for she thinks they are making fun of her. Hermia, on the other hand is mad at Helena because she stole Lysander away from her. Helena knew Hermia loved lysander so when Hermia found out Lysander is in love with Helena, Hermia was furious. SInce Hermia was mad at Helena and was yelling at her Demetrius and Lysander were defending Helena and told Hermia to leave and that no one wanted her here. Now I feel as if Hermia is kind of out of the love loop/triangle because no one loves her anymore. That dang flower! Now their whole love loop is messed up!

    1. Emma Garbowitz

      I agree that Hermia was pushed away from her own lover and her own love group and that messed everything up. In one way I feel bad for Hermia because she never felt like an outsider or like someone who doesn’t belong. She was always the center of attention up until now. Furthermore, she lost the man she truly loves and stood by him through thick and thin (even when her father threatened her). But at the same time I don’t feel bad for her because she needs to understand how Helena feels from her perspective. Helena has always been the outsider but now it’s Hermia’s turn.

  17. Emma Garbowitz

    Throughout this scene, there is so much chaos between Helena, Hermia, Lysander, and Demetrius. what I found very interesting was the fact that love came between Helena and Hermia’s friendship so easily. Helena was clearing explaining how Hermia and she were like two peas in a pod that did everything together. However, they were slowly drifting apart and it seems like they both hit their breaking points. The text states,
    “So we grew together like to a double cherry, seeming parted,
    but yet an union in partician,
    two lovely berries molded on one stem;
    so with two seeming bodies but one heart,
    two of the first, {like} coats in heraldry,
    due but to one and frowned with one crest.
    And will you rent our ancient love asunder,
    to join with men in scorning your poor friend?” This shows how Helena feels as though she and Hermia’s friendship is becoming weaker and weaker, all because of these men. If Helena and Hermia weren’t in this complicated situation and men came between them their friendship would’ve totally survived. Is it possible that love can be more powerful than friendship? But can’t you love your friends as well. I thought that Helena and Hermia’s relationship would be stronger than this.
    Furthermore, in a way, Helena and Hermia switched roles in this play. Helena is now the beloved divine one while Hermia is just “there”. In the beginning of the play, Helena was jealous of Hermia and how she had two men swooning over her. Hermia told Helena that it’s not her fault that they both love her because of her beauty and personality. However, because the two women traded positions, Hermia isn’t handling it too well. In a way, I feel bad for Hermia because she lost the man she loves. But at the same time, she is truly understanding how Helena feels everyday and is experiencing her life through Helena’s perspective. Therefore, I think the two women switched places at this point in the play.

  18. Brishti

    As with many shakespeare plays, much of the drama and conflicts arise in the third act. In Act III scene ii of A Midsummer Night’s Dream, the plot intensifies as the four Athenian lovers become wrapped up in a chaotic event mistakenly caused by Puck. Before this, Puck accidentally gives the potion to the wrong athenian man, and makes Lysander fall in love with Helena. In this scene, more conflicts arise when Puck tries to fix his mistake by giving the flower to Demitrius and making him fall in love with Helena. However, this doesn’t exactly end as planned. Helena now thinks that the two men are mocking her, and she rejects both of them. Meanwhile, Hermia is angry at Helena because she thinks that she is stealing Lysander away from her. Helena now thinks that Hermia is also in on the joke. As the plot thickens, the complexity grows, and we start to see that it is difficult to tell who is who. This could suggest that Shakespeare is poking fun at how all lovers are the same. Both Lysander and Demetrius act stupid and arrogant by trying to prove who loves Helena more, and their egos make them need to show how thet hate Hermia, their ex-love. Helena and Hermia have a fight about best friends, where they make jabs at each other about their physical appearence. Hermia gets extremely offended by everything Helena says, and Helena makes cold insults to Hermia, and the two eventually forget the frienship they have shared for their entire lifetime.

  19. Emily

    In Romeo and Juliet the drama really began in act three, and in a midsummer’s night dream, this is no different. Shakespeare is forcing the audience to question the difference between dream and reality. He is making it unclear weather the fairies are a dream or if they are real in the play. Furthermore, he is forcing you to question whether even if they are real in the play, if they are considered real, because they are actually just actors. Bottom thinks that his visit with the fairies is just a dream, and the audience does not it was.


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