February 28

Here’s much to do with hate, but more with love.

Romeo and Benvolio

Tonight, please finish reading Act I, scene i, (pp.17-25).  Then write a response here.  Consider the following question:

What do you think we are supposed to learn about the character of Romeo based on his conversation with Benvolio? Consider his speech, lines Act I, scene i, lines 181-185:

Love is a smoke made with the fume of sighs;

Being purged, a fire sparkling in lovers’ eyes;

Being vexed, a sea nourished with loving tears.

What is it else? A madness most discreet,

A choking gall, and a preserving sweet.

Be sure to use many text-based details in your response and to respond to at least one other comment in this thread.

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Posted February 28, 2019 by equinson in category Romeo and Juliet

27 thoughts on “Here’s much to do with hate, but more with love.

  1. Myles Ng

    Both the Capulets and the Montagues are pugnacious and have a set intent on attacking the other group. Romeo is the exact opposite of those people. He didn’t join in on the fight, and wasn’t even near the scene of the fight. His own mother says, “Right glad I am he was not at this fray.” With even his dad being old wanting in on the fight you see the pattern that of nonsensical fighting. In the conversation he had with his cousin you see he does not talk with the smugness of the rest of the Capulets or Montagues. “Put up your swords; you know not what you do.” Compared to Romeo, “What fray was here? Yet tell me not, for I have heard it all. Here’s much to do with hate, but more with love. Why, then, O brawling love! O loving hate!” I think we are supposed to get that Romeo is truly different that the rest of the other Montagues.

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  2. jane

    After reading scene i, one of the main characters, Romeo, is introduced. He is talking to his cousin, Benvolio, about why he is always sad. We learn that Romeo is in distress because he is in love with a girl he can’t have. He explains how beautiful she is, and just explains that she is overall perfect, which makes it even worse that he can’t be with her. From this we can tell that Romeo is a very mature character, because he is expressing such serious emotion. He must also care a lot about his love.

    I also think that Romeo’s dilemma fits well into the theme of love and hate. “O brawling love, O loving hate,” (line 181). I think this quote suites the idea of the duality between love and hate. Romeo expresses that it is painful and hard to love something, but sometimes more comforting to surround oneself with hate. This quote shows that Romeo is very down and depressed because of love, and this quote may be a clue foreshadowing events that happen later in the story.

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  3. Kate Ma.

    Tonight’s scene gave more insight to Romeo as a person and what his beliefs are on the feud of his family and the Capulet’s. Through tonight’s reading I can see how Romeo has unrequited love for Juliet, meaning, he loves and wants her so badly, but he knows that she never thinks of him and isn’t returning the same attitude toward him due to their families. Just like the beginning sonnet, “A pair of star-crossed lovers take their life.” The word star-crossed really fits Romeo and Juliet’s situation as their families despise one another. In this scene Romeo displays somber moods and Benevolio tries to help. Romeo has no interest in fighting and thinks about Juliet and how he’ll never have her. Romeo is very unlike the rest of his family; he doesn’t want to fight and he loves Juliet even if she is a Capulet. This is another example of duality, Romeo compared to the rest of his family. Scene two showed us Romeo’s great love for Juliet, his somber mood and his differences from his family.

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    1. Emma Garbowitz

      I agree how this scene does really show how deeply upset Romeo is and how his love truly over powers all the other feelings he is having at the moment.

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  4. Maddie

    At this point in Act I, scene i of “Romeo and Juliet”, a main character is introduced. When we meet Romeo, he feels sad. His cousin, Benvolio, asks him why he is sad. Romeo tells Benvolio that he is in love with a woman. The problem is, he cannot be with her. As a response to this, Benvolio tells Romeo that he should expand his horizon, because there are many other girls in the world that he can be with. This advice, however, does not help Romeo, because he says that the woman he loves is so beautiful that it would be hard to love someone else. I think that the advice given by Benvolio is foreshadowing. By looking for another girl he may find Juliet, who he will fall in love with.

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  5. josepha4

    In tonight’s reading we see that Romeo doesn’t approve the fighting and the main thing on his mind is his love for Juliet. It is common knowledge that Romeo doesn’t appreciate because his mother says,”Right glad I am he was not at this fray”. When Benvolio confronts Romeo about his problem Benvolio suggest broadening his horizons. Romeo however cannot forget his problems or move onto another girl because he loves the girl on his mind. The main focus of this scene was to juxtapose Romeo and the rest of the Montagues and Capulets.

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  6. Emma Garbowitz

    Towards the end of Scene 1, Act 1, a new character is introduced by the name Romeo.As soon as I met this character you can immediately see how somber he is. The text states, “why, such is love’s transgression. Griefs of mine own lie heavy in my breast.” This clearly shows how devostated Romeo really is, all over love. He describes to his cousin Benvolio, the perfect woman, who he is obviously deeply in love with. However, he can’t seem to be with her, for some reason, which causes the pain to be even more tremendous than it was in the first place. His whole life seems to revolve around this one woman because it seems as though it is all he is thinking about day and night, just waiting for each hour to tic by. At one point, Romeo even seems to lose track of time! The text states, ” Good morrow, cousin.
    Is the day so young?
    But new struck nine.
    Ay me, sad hours seem so long.”
    Romeo is deeply in love with this women but he can’t seem to either get her attention, or be with her for some reason. However, I think if Romeo loves her so much, he should go for it and make a gesture towards her and share his feeling. Although this could cause a lot of conflict, this might help Romeo actually get the woman to love him back. Therefore, I think that Romeo needs to make a decision about his life because he can’t just sit there and stand by waiting for something magical to happen between him and this woman.

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  7. johnh1

    After reading the last bit of Act I, scene i, I see that Romeo is acting dramatically. He is at a point where he doesn’t want to talk to his parents and when he talks to Benvolio he talks about how wonderful the girl he loves is and how he can sadly not be with her. I think this brings an important fact: these characters are children. Romeo and Juliet are children as mentioned in class. Their decisions and the way they act are going to most likely be irrational and stupid. Everyone knows that at the end of the book they kill themselves because they are irrational, stupid teenagers.

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    1. Mikayla Friedman

      That is an interesting take on Romeo’s personality. Romeo is probably a teenager, which is why he doesn’t like talking to his parents, but when he talks to Benvolio, I think he is being sincere. Yes, he may be a little bit dramatic, but this is a play with fictional characters and the story would not be interesting if characters did not exaggerate their feelings.

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  8. Laila

    The other day for homework we were asked to look into the theme of love and hate in the prologue of Romeo and Juliet. In lines 181-185, Romeo himself makes a connection between love and hate. He says, “Here’s much to do with hate, but more with love. Why, then, O brawling love! O loving hate” By saying this he confirms what the prologue made us think about: Wherever there is love, there is bound to be hate. I think Romeo is speaking about how the Capulet and Montague family hate one another, yet a Montague and a Capulet are in love with one another. He expresses his feelings about love, saying,

    “Love is a smoke raised with the fume of sighs;
    Being purged, a fire sparkling in lovers’ eyes;
    Being vex’d a sea nourish’d with lovers’ tears:
    What is it else? a madness most discreet,
    A choking gall and a preserving sweet.”

    I found this so interesting because it is almost like he is saying being in love is hard. That being so devoted to someone is driving him mad. I predict that the theme of love being hard is one that is bound to show itself several times throughout the rest of the play.

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  9. Mikayla Friedman

    In Act I scene i Romeo is introduced. Based on his conversation with Benvolio, I think Romeo has a very mature and serious personality. He has to be young, but he already has the capacity to love deeply. Benvolio tells Romeo to forget her:
    “Be ruled by me. Forget to think of her.
    O, teach me how I should forget to think!
    By giving liberty unto thine eyes.
    Examine other beauties.”
    Romeo says he cannot forget the woman he loves, but Benvolio replies he will teach Romeo to forget or die trying.

    I also noticed that Romeo is really only talking about the woman’s beauty, not about her personality or other good qualities she may have. Romeo says:
    “O, she is rich in beauty only poor
    That, when she dies, with beauty dies her store.”
    This may just be the time period, not necessarily Romeo’s personality. But I do hope that Romeo and Juliet will fall in love not just because of each other’s looks, but for their internal qualities. Also, in this scene Romeo must be talking about his unrequited love for Juliet. Juliet has sworn never to marry or to fall in love. I wonder what makes her change her mind and fall in love with Romeo? I’m excited to find out!

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  10. caseyz

    In the end of this scene we meet on of the main characters, Romeo. When he first arrives he is visibly upset. His cousin, Benvolio sees him and asks him what’s wrong. Romeo explains that the only thing he has on his mind is a girl he can’t have. Romeo doesn’t seem to care about the fight. He ignores the grudge that the Capulets and Montagues have. He also doesn’t join in with their fights. This is what makes him different from the other characters we have met so far. He is the only one who hasn’t chosen a side or cared about the “ancient grudge”.

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    1. Zoe

      I never thought about the fact that Romeo doesn’t seem to care about the fight in the slightest. I definitely agree. Great analysis!

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  11. Sunna

    In tonight’s reading, we learned a lot about a new character, Romeo. He is very different from the rest of his families. He dislikes all of the fighting between his family and Juliet’s. Furthermore, it is clear that Romeo is in love with Juliet, which only furthers the theme of “star-crossed lovers”. Romeo doesn’t care that Juliet is a Capulet, he loves her, anyway. He describes how perfect and beautiful she is. However, he knows that he can never be with her. But he doesn’t seem to be making any moves to be with her. He most likely feels suffocated by his family and feels that Juliet’s love is so out of reach, that their isn’t any point in trying.

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  12. Zoe

    Romeo’s scene with his cousin reveals a lot of different moods compared to the fight scene earlier in the play. Before, when the fight occurred, the families fought because of their old grudge and never thought t=once that they could get along. Romeo, on the other hand, was very different and said himself that, “Here’s much to do with hate, but more with love. Why, then, O brawling love! O loving hate!” Romeo takes on a whole new idea of love instead of the different families involved in hate. The one thing they have in common is that both of them can’t move on from their feelings of hate and love. The Capulets and the Montagues still have their old grudge and Romeo even told his cousin that he could not move on from his love. Be ruled by me. Forget to think of her. “O, teach me how I should forget to think!” I think the point of introducing Romeo in this way was to show the contrast between him and his own family.

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    1. trinityt

      I agreed. Romeo is different from the rest of his family because he was more interested in the idea of love than hate. Romeo’s scene was calm and peaceful, in contrast, the fighting scene in the beginning with his family involved with the Capulet was chaotic.

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  13. Emily

    In this nights reading I noticed another idea to support the idea of duality. I noticed the duality between light and dark. In many different forms we see this, but I first realized it was there when Montague says, “Away from light steals home my heavy son and private in his chambers pens himself, shuts up his windows, locks fair daylight out, and makes himself an artificial night”(lines 140-143). The contrast between the light of the outside sun, and the dark interior of Romeo’s room is great and Shakespeare uses it to show how different Romeo is from the rest of his family and society. We also see this in the above excerpt and Romeo says that love is, “smoke made with the fume of sighs” The brightness of the sun, like the outside is blocking the truth.

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  14. Hannah Pitkofsky

    At the end of act one of Romeo and Juliet, we see Romeo speaking to his cousin, Benvolio, about his sadness without love. The speech that he makes describes his struggles and failures to find love. This conversation also showed the first hunt of sadness that we have seen so far in the play. The fight scene before was exciting and adventurous, and this scene is somber and more wishful and hopeful for the future.

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  15. Sophie

    At the end of scene 1, we meet main character, Romeo. During his conversation with his cousin Benvolio, we see a soft and romantic side of Romeo that changed the mood of the play. After the big violent sword fight, the scene transitions into Romeo expressing his feelings for Juliet. He says that even though she is a Capulet, he still has very strong feelings for her. This makes me wonder. Usually, children tend to inherit similar personality traits from their parents/ancestors. Since it became clear to us that Romeo has no grudges against the Capulet’s due to his feelings of love, maybe in the future Romeo’s family will let go of those grudges too. They could see how happy Romeo is with Juliet, and release the grudges they are holding, out of respect and love for their son. If love is what is bringing two members of each family together, perhaps all they need is love to bring both entire families together.

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  16. Hannah M.

    We learn that Romeo isn’t like the rest of his family. He doesn’t enjoy the fighting and even when there is fighting that is occuring he is no where to be seen. WHen he has this conversation with Benvoilo he only has one thing on his mind and that is a girl, Juliet, a Capulet. He knows he cannot have her and knowing this it breaks his heart. He loves Juliet so much that it makes him forget about their families troubles. The sad part is that because he cant have Juliet it makes him give off sad and depressed moods/vibes that change the whole feeling of the scene

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  17. Madi R.

    In tonight’s reading, Shakespeare presents one of the main protagonists, Romeo. The reader is introduced to Romeo in a scene where he is having a conversation with his cousin, Benvolio. Romeo appears to be intelligent and handsome. Romeo also appears to be immature and emotionally unbalanced. Romeo comes from wealth and is given everything he wants. When Romeo can not capture the attention of a girl, he refuses to accept this. Shakespeare, allows the reader to see that Romeo does not agree with the violence going on between the two families. In the novel Romeo states, “O me! What fray was here? Yet tell me not, for I have heard it all.” The statement leads the reader to believe that Romeo is aware of what is going on with the fighting and he does not want to hear about is any more as he has had enough.

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  18. stephaniec

    After reading tonight’s reading, we are introduced to Romeo, one of the main characters. Essentially, the scene consists of Romeo confiding in his cousin Benvolio. At this point of the play, Romeo is having an internal conflict. He is in love with a girl that he can not be with. In addition, he is unlike the rest of his family. Unlike his family, he does not care about the ancient grudge between the two families and does not want to take part in any of the fighting. He revealed to his cousin that he can not get this girl out of his mind. Furthermore, that this is why he has been distant from the family, and acting out of the ordinary. We also get an insight on how love and hate complement each other in the play. Romeo said to Benvolio, “Here’s much to do with hate, but more with love. Why, then, O brawling love! O loving hate!”. This is an example of love and hate, and also one of Romeo’s internal conflicts.

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  19. trinityt

    After tonight’s reading, Romeo, one of the main characters, was introduced. We have learned many things about Romeo in tonight’s reading. One of the things we learned that Romeo is different from the rest of his family, the Montague. While his family was fighting with the Capulet, he was off somewhere else. He didn’t care about the fighting and the grudge that was between the two families. “Here’s much to do with hate, but more with love. Why then, O brawling love, O loving hate,” (Act I, scene i, lines 180-182). Different from his family, who was more into the idea of hate with the Capulet, Romeo was into the idea of love. This scene is very different from the fight scene in the beginning of the play, which was filled with chaos, because this scene is more calm and and peaceful. This is also another way that shows that Romeo is different from his family. The setting around Romeo is calm and peaceful, in contrast, the scene involving his family in the beginning was quite chaotic with the Capulet.

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  20. maxwellw

    In tonight’s reading, I found that Romeo’s emotional turmoil also reflects the chaos of Verona, a city divided by the feud between the Montagues and the Capulets. Just as the city is embattled by the feud between the families, Romeo is embattled by his unrequited love. Romeo illustrates his idea of love as a battlefield by using terms referring to combat to describe the ways in which he feels about his love.

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  21. angelicac1

    Through Romeo’s speech, readers learn that he is tired of his love for the girl he can’t have. When Romeo says, “She’ll not be hit with Cupid’s arrow. She hate Dian’s wit”, it is evident that he he understands that he doesn’t have a shot at being with her, but he can’t get over her. It’s like Romeo’s troubles can only be solved with love, but love is what’s causing his troubles. He’s so over his bittersweet love that he describes his love as “A madness most discreet, a chocking gall, and a preserving sweet.”

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  22. Brishti

    In tonight’s reading, we learn much more about the character of Romeo. The readers learn about how Romeo’s sadness comes from his unrequited love. We learn from his father that Romeo, “private in his chamber pens himself, shuts up his windows, locks fair daylight out, And makes himself an artificial night”. This explains how Romeo has been lovesick for the past few days and how he is a boy who needs time alone rather than talk to his family and friends. His speech also shows us how much he longs for love, and how it would solve all of his problems. Yet, the thing causing his grievance is love itself, as he describes it as “A choking gall, and a preserving sweet.” This shows how Romeo is similar to a dramatic teenager who is hung up about love. This can be foreshadowing to how Romeo and Juliet make the reckless decisions they make later on in the play.

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