Your last hour has come. You die in blood.

Please reread “Odysseus’ Revenge” and “Penelope’s Test,” pp. 1037 – 1046, and then respond here.

In your response, please consider some of these questions:

  • Do you think Odysseus’ revenge is justified?
  • Even though some suitors have been crueler than others, why does Odysseus take equal revenge on all of them?
  • How do you think the problem of the suitors should have been handled? Why?

Be sure to use plenty of text-based details in your response and check your writing for correct spelling, punctuation, and grammar. Please be sure, also, to respond to at least one other comment in this thread.

Mythology blog #13

40 thoughts on “Your last hour has come. You die in blood.

  1. In the Odyssey, when Odysseus finally gets home, his house is overrun by men who have come to take his wife, kill his son, and take Ithaca. Odysseus is having none of this, as he is already angry from his war in Troy, and the long journey back home. Still disguised as a beggar, Odysseus wins the challenge of shooting hi sown bow through twelve ax heads. He then kills all of the suitors trying to take away his son and wife with the help of Athena, hi son, and a few servants. He then proceeds to pass the test Penelope sets for him to make sure he is actually Odysseus.

    Some may say that Odysseus over reacted to the situation when he arrived home, and should not have killed all of the men there. But I say that it was just. The people who say that what happened shouldn’t have happened, are surrounded by a completely different moral universe then the morals back when this was said to happen. I agree that if something were to happen like this today then the person should be severely punished. But back in ancient Greece, when Odysseus got home and found this, he reacted the way many others would, and it was acceptable.

    The men at his house had gone over a line that they could not cross back over. Once they stepped over, they were fully committed. Odysseus already agree from war and his journey home, was even more furious when he finally got home and found his house full of people trying to become him. All of those men were trying to take claim of Odysseus’ title because they thought him dead. They knew the danger that they were in, not just by the other suitors, but also if Odysseus somehow wasn’t dead. And knowing that danger, they still decided that it was worth the risk, and payed for it. Odysseus was in the right to kill those men, and even though it isn’t acceptable today, if you were living back when this was said to happen, I believe that it would be something you were expecting.

    I don’t believe that Odysseus was in the wrong here, if you do, say something and I will try to understand why, and then probably prove you wrong. Lets keep it nice though!! 🙂

    • Remy, I am glad you are willing to hear the other side of this argument, because I disagree. Odysseus already has so much blood on his hands from the war and his journey. And now, he is murdering many men out of cold blood. I understand that Odysseus is the savior to his family and that this was a different time, but an act like this can have everlasting effects. Odysseus stabs a cyclops in the eye, then Poseidon was out to get him. In the Illiad, Helen foolishly runs off with another man, and then an entire war begins. Could you imagine what consequences there are for murdering that horde of men. They did think he was dead, so it wasn’t as if they were doing this to antagonize him. What the men did was wrong, but they made a promise to leave Ithaca, and give Odysseus some beeves. They blamed Antinous, and he is now dead. If I were Odysseus, I would be satisfied with Antinous. However, after reading your blog, my opinion has been swayed a bit. Great job!

      • I agree with Remy mostly, however, Ashley does have a good point. All of your actions will eventually lead to consequences: good or bad. On the other hand, Odysseus is coming back home after 20 years. He hasn’t seen his family in 20 years! So coming home, and seeing a line of men ready to court his wife, can make you angry. Was it a little over the top? Maybe. But then again, it was acceptable and expected during that time period. Also, all the men there had the same goal. Technically speaking, there were all like Antinous in one way or another. Given the situation and the time period, I believe that Odysseus’ actions were just.

        • I agree with Remy. I would be just as enraged if I came home to find strange men in my house eating my food and trying to marry my wife. While I do see the other side of the argument, I think the actions of Odysseus are justified.

        • Greatly worded Aniket. I agree that Odysseus had a completely justified outrage of anger that was taken out on the suitors leading to many casualties.

      • I definitely understand what you are saying Ashley, but I also disagree. You did mention a lot of times where Odysseus was a killer and that is my point exactly. He is a fighter, that is how he made it through all the madness of war and the events afterwards. When he sees trouble, he kills. That would be very wrong in todays standards, but this was a time of violence and power. Killing is what any person of the time would have done.

    • I agree, Odysseus had a legitimate reason to kill all the suitors, but I can see why he can seem a little bit too harsh. Anyways, good job on your blog post!

    • Great blog! I agree with what Anjali said. All of the suitors were in a way, exactly the same, even though some of them, especially Eurymachus, were a lot smarter than Antinous. Eurymachus tried to talk his way out of being killed, and didn’t openly mistreat Odysseus as a beggar, like Antinous did. I also agree with Remy on the fact that Odysseus was justified in killing off the suitors. 🙂

  2. I think that Odysseus’ revenge had not been justified. However, Antinous’ punishment was. I believe I speak for all of us when I say that Antinous is a horrible man, and he is a villain. He is even more despicable than the other threats Odysseus has faced. It seems that every god or king that are antagonizing Odysseus can be satisfied with a sacrifice that doesn’t put Odysseus himself at risk of death. He simply has to give a bull or ram to Poseidon, or six of his men to Scylla. In this situation however, Antinous would not be satisfied. He wants Penelope, and he will do anything to get his way and show that he is superior. On the other hand, while Antinous may have deserved to die, Odysseus did not have to kill the other men. They had claimed to be following in Antinous’ footsteps, and they knew that they were apologizing. The suitors would’ve bolted from the scene, never to return to Ithaca due to the fear Odysseus had evoked in them. Odysseus, however, did not care. His faithful, compassionate wife had been plagued by the suitors waiting for Odysseus to return. Odysseus was furious at them. He said, “Not for the whole treasure of your fathers, all you enjoy, lands, flocks, or any gold put up by others, would I hold my hand. There will be killing till the score is paid.” (pp. 1040) Odysseus could’ve banished the men from Ithaca, or embarrassed them by telling all of their foolishness, and arrogance. Perhaps there could’ve been a simple duel, and not a blood bath. In conclusion, characters in Literature capital L novels are exceedingly dramatic.

    • I liked your analysis. We both agree that while Antinous deserved death, the other suitors didn’t. We know when Hector killed Patrolicus, Achilles was really angry and killed Hector. However, in the end, Achilles thought of how his father would feel if he was killed and ended up returning the body to Troy. I wish Odysseus thought of how relatives of the young men would feel before they were killed. (Hector and the suitors were both princes but Hector was noble)

    • I can see where you are coming from when you commented on my blog. I agree that it was a bit over the top, maybe if he had waited bit before deciding to kill them all then he would have come up with a more peaceful plan. Or maybe by waiting, he would just get angrier and gone and killed them anyway. We humans are odd creatures, and you can never truly expect what someone else is going to do.

    • Also, I;m not quite sure if the other suitors were telling the truth when they said it was all Antinuos and that they were just following him. I think, that even though it may have mostly been Antinuos, that the other men were just trying to cover up the immoral things they did by saying that it was all Antinuos. the way I read it was more of, “Quick, he’s going to kill us all think of something. Ummmmm. Oh yeah, ‘you seee that person you just killed, yeah, him? It was all him, we truly din’t want to be here, but he told us to.'”

  3. In today’s reading of the Odyssey, Odysseus finally gets his revenge on the suitors that have been trying to court Penelope for years. The story starts right after Odysseus wins the archery contest. He turns to Antinous, one of the main suitors at the palace, and aims his bow at him. He lets his arrow fly, and, “Odysseus’ arrow hit him under the chin/ and punched up to the the feathers through his throat.” (page 1039). Antinous falls, dead, and all of the suitors are surprised. They begin to scramble for their weapons, and then find that they have disappeared. Finding nothing else to do, they start screaming at Odysseus, taking out their rage on him. Then one of the suitors, Eurymachus, comes forward to try and reason with Odysseus. He says, “Spare your own people/ As for ourselves, we’ll make restitution of the wine and meat consumed/ and add, each one, a tithe of twenty oxen/ with gifts of bronze and gold.” (page 1040). He then blames all of the suitors problems on Antinous, the suitor who has just died. Odysseus rejects them, but Eurymachus rallies the suitors to organize a defense against Odysseus. He runs forward to attack, and is then cut down by one of the arrows against Odysseus. Another suitor, Amphinomus, runs at him but is taken down by the long spear of Telemachus, the son of Odysseus. Telemachus then runs off to get more weapons, and also gather others faithful to Odysseus to help him fight. They proceed to slaughter every last suitor in the hall. Then, Odysseus reunites with his wife, Penelope, and she is skeptical of him. Many have come before, claiming to be Odysseus, yet all have failed a secret test that she had to trip up any impostors. She tells Odysseus that their bed has been moved, and Odysseus is outraged. He points out that the bed frame is made of an olive tree and is impossible to move. Penelope realizes that this is in fact her true husband. She goes to hug him, and the story ends. Overall, I liked this story. I felt for Odysseus, and found the action to be exciting. To me, Odysseus’ revenge is justified. After being away from home for twenty years and being very weary, he comes home to find his wife being forced to marry one of many greedy suitors. He is overcome with rage and I can see why. Had I been put in that situation, I would be irate as well. Furthermore, I can see why Odysseus took out his revenge on all the suitors, not just those who were cruel or especially greedy. While some were worse than others, all of the suitors tried to do the same thing. All tried to court Penelope and force her to marry them. Also, all slaughtered and ate his food without permission or regret, so therefore all deserved the same punishment-death. Overall, I found this story to be one of the best in the Odyssey and felt Odysseus’ actions toward the suitors justified.

    • Great Job, Matt! You did a great job explaining this section of The Odyssey in great detail. In addition, your analysis was spot-on. Keep up the great work!

  4. In the section of the Odyssey, “Odysseus’ revenge”, we see our hero go too far and mindlessly slaughter dozens of wealthy, young men. Let’s put this massacre in context, Odysseus comes home from a long journey to Troy to find a large number of suitors for his wife at his house. The suitors eat his food, harass his wife, and even plan to kill his son. Odysseus kills the leader but then goes on to kill the weak-minded followers. These acts of murder were uncalled for, yet you can see why Odysseus would go to such an extreme punishment. Odysseus was a good husband and would not let his wife’s pain go un-retaliated. Odysseus didn’t need to kill the men in his house, the ringleader Antinous may have deserved death, but the others deserved lesser punishment. Another suitor named Eurymachus offers, “As for ourselves, we’ll make restitution of wine and meat consumed, and add, each one, a tithe of twenty oxen with gifts of bronze and gold to warm your heart. “ Even with this reasonable offer on the table Odysseus still immorally butchers all of the young men, who had so much more life ahead of them if they didn’t catch Odysseus angry. Odysseus is known for his intelligence and level-headedness, but he goes battle-mad for his wife. Maybe if Odysseus was thinking more clearly, he would have asked each suitor alive to pay a high fee to replenish Odysseus’s castle and coffers, and maybe a part of the suitors land. In the end of this encounter, Odysseus gains nothing and loses his men and twenty years of his life. If he taxed the suitors there would be at least something gained from his endeavor.

    • I agree that now, butchering all those men would be considered immoral, but at the time the Odyssey took place it was acceptable to kill others like this. He also states that he would not take any payment for their crimes. Odysseus would only accept blood as compensation.

  5. In the reading of The Odyssey, Odysseus finds men trying to take his place and gets revenge on them. These suitors continue to try and steal Penelope, and even try to impersonate Odysseus. Odysseus kills Antinous (leader of suitors) with an arrow and wants to kill all suitors. They plead that it was all Antinous and that they didn’t do anything wrong. Despite that, Odysseus did not believe them and so continued to fight.
    Eurymachus comes forward to try and compromise with Odysseus but is later hit with an arrow. Odysseus with the help of primarily Telemachus, take down every suitor, leaving them dead. Next, Odysseus is trying to convince Penelope that he is her husband and is not an impersonator that is trying to pretend that he is Odysseus. As stated earlier, many suitors pretended to be Odysseus but failed the secret test that she had administered in order to find the man. Odysseus mentions that the bed frame is made of an olive tree and is impossible to move after Penelope tells him that it has been moved. As a result, Penelope realizes that this must be her real husband whom she rewards with a hug. Odysseus’ revenge was indeed justified due to the circumstances and emotions. After returning from a long and hard-fought 20-year trip, he returned to several suitors trying to steal his wife. He was very angry and filled with rage, which led to his decision to kill all of them. The circumstance and emotions that Odysseus was going thru also added to his anger that killed the men. Furthermore, I thoroughly enjoyed this reading of the Odyssey and believe that Odysseus’ revenge was justified.

  6. On pages 1037 to 1046, Odysseus finally exacts his revenge on the suitors and is reunited with Penelope. With the help of his servants and Telemachus, he slaughters every single one of the suitors. Personally, I think Odysseus’ revenge was justified. In the time period the Odyssey takes place, it was a terrible deed to enter someone’s home without permission. It was an unforgivable crime, and those who commit it must be punished. In addition, when Odysseus first entered his home disguised as a beggar, he was treated like dirt. Antinous, the ringleader of the suitors, had the nerve to insult and disrespect their guest, and even dared to throw a stool at his shoulder. He even refused food to the starving, frail man before him, when he himself was stuffing himself full with the food of others. Naturally, Odysseus, felt that this should be a foundation for retribution. His decision to kill all the suitors would be justifiable in the moral universe of his time, but would be a terrible act today. Although some suitors were crueler compared to others, they had all committed the same crime in Odysseus’ eyes by forcefully entering his home. They had all gone too far, and as a result, no matter how much more sympathetic or better one was than another, they were all susceptible to Odysseus’ wrath. One might argue that after 20 years, you would think Odysseus dead. Even so, however, is it right to barge into the widow’s home without permission, and force her to remarry when she wishes not to? Even if Odysseus had died, that still doesn’t give the right to the suitors to take over the deceased owner’s house, or fatten yourself with their food. Furthermore, the men were courting his wife. Most likely, the first instinct of a person when they find out their spouse is being pursued by someone else is to get them far away, no matter what it takes. Back then, to get someone far away quickly, you’d just kill them. Today, our morals and culture are very much different than in ancient Greece. If this problem existed in our time, we probably would have handled it much differently. Perhaps Odysseus would have accepted the suitors’ offer of riches, or devised a solution without having to massacre them. Forgiveness and mercy is much more evident in our society than back then.

  7. When Odysseus arrives at his home at last, he finds out that it has been invaded by many suitors who want to marry his wife, Penelope. Penelope has stayed strong and resisted their proposals of marriage over the years, but she is losing hope and finally decides to hold a competition to see who she will marry. Luckily for her, Odysseus arrives home in time for the competition, which is to shoot his own bow. Only he is able to accomplish this, and after it is revealed that he is Odysseus, he decides to kill every suitor in the household. This is more than justified, as nobody would tolerate any man trying to take his wife away from him, planning to kill his son, and assuming that he is dead. Though some suitors were more cruel in their pursuit of Penelope than others, Odysseus kills them all the same way. It did not matter to him the way they were trying to get Penelope to marry him or to kill Telemachus. They were all a part of it, so Odysseus killed them all. The problem of the suitors was handled violently by Odysseus. But, the harshness of his punishment was probably the only thing that he could have done. If he let them live, he would always be seeking revenge on them and thinking that he should’ve killed them. To get them completely out of his life was probably the best thing that he could have done.

  8. Odysseus comes home to find the suitors all over his wife, Penelope, and taking over Ithaca. After the long war, and the challenging journey home, I am not surprised that Odysseus is enraged. He is “welcomed” with disrespect and awful changes to his home, even though he has worked so hard to return home. The suitors invading Ithaca and harassing Penelope is a very legitimate reason to kill all of them. However, violence is violence, and Odysseus was a little too harsh to kill all the men. Just like Ms. Quinson said in the blog post above, not all the men were equally cruel. It was wrong for Odysseus to assume that all the suitors were abusive and equally barbarous. Even though Odysseus’s actions were very violent, the suitors needed to be punished. Odysseus takes equal revenge on all of them because the suitors all took part in harassing Penelope and destroying Ithaca. They might have not been as cruel, but they all took part, so they all should be punished. Odysseus handled the situation in a very violent way. He should have presented the suitors with an equally terrifying punishment (even though death is like the worst possible thing that can happen). He could have made the suitors suffer rather than killing them immediately, or give them a long and painful death. The suitors could have been given a life-long punishment, as death only lasts or a few minutes. However, Odysseus has the right to give the suitors the worst possible punishment after what they have done.

  9. In this part of the Odyssey, Odysseus comes home and kills all the suitors. Then Penelope tests to see if it’s actually him.
    I feel that Odysseus’ revenge is completely justified. How could it not be? He went away to fight in a war, then struggled to get home for years. 20 years later he gets home. He walks into a ton of men ransacking his house, trying to take his wife, and all his land. I would be mad too. I’m with Odysseus on this one. I would want to take every man’s head off. That is a huge disrespect. One could say it’s morally wrong and how Odysseus killed many in war. This is true but back then no one cared. Even today if I was Odysseus I’m still killing every one of those men. Maybe I’m just a morally wrong person, which that I cannot argue. But Odysseus had a very good reason for his anger.
    Some of the men are crueler than others but Odysseus takes the same revenge on all of them. He does this because they all wanted to take his wife and all his land. They all knew what they were doing. Also, Odysseus couldn’t have know how cruel the other men were compared to other besides Antinous who threw a stool at him.
    I think the problem of the suitors was handled in the correct way. The only thing I may have done differently was that I would have taken at least a few men in as slaves to do work. The men came through Odysseus’ castle and wanted to take his wife and land. Therefore, the problem was handled correctly.

  10. During tonight’s reading, we see Odysseus get his revenge upon these suitors. This bloody manslaughter, in my opinion, is perfectly justified, because of all of the things that the suitors have done to deserve it. “You yellow dogs, you thought I (Odysseus) would never make it home from the land of Troy. You took my house to plunder…. You dared bid for my wife while I was still Alive. Contempt was all you had for the gods who rule wide heaven, contempt was all that men say of you hereafter. Your last hour has come. You die in blood.”(Pg 1039-1040) This justifies him killing all of the suitors because of the culture at the time. In today’s time, if someone wrongs you on this massive of a scale for this many years, then the proper course of action would be a lawsuit. In the time of Odysseus however, the punishment for such a wrongdoing is death. Death in the culture of Odysseus’s time is much more common. Men were even killed by gods because they had killed and eaten the wrong cattle. Some may argue that many suitors, such as Antinous and Eurymachus, were the leaders of the group and that perhaps only they should have been killed, while the others would have to pay a still heavy but lesser price for their actions. “They felt their knees fail, and their hearts-but heard Eurymachus for the last time rallying them.”(Pg 1040) In my opinion, these men deserved even more so the punishment they received, as this is proof that they are not only doing tremendous wrong against Odysseus but are not even strong enough to do it alone. Each one of the suitors who partook in this wrongdoing not only is greedy and hateful but did not have the strength to lead themselves.

  11. After reading the last part of The Odyssey, I believe that Odysseus’ actions are justified. These random men come into his house, steal his food, and try to marry his wife. And all of the suitors were involved. Despite Antinous being the leader, the entire group was involved, regardless of whatever Eurymachus might say. “ ‘If you are Odysseus of Ithaca come back, / all that you say these men have done is true. / Rash actions, many here, more in the countryside. / But here he lies, the man who caused them all. / Antinous was the ringleader, he whipped us on / to do these things. He cared less for a marriage / than for the power Cronion has denied him / as king of Ithaca. For that / he tried to trap your son and would have killed him. / He is dead now and has his portion. Spare / your own people. As for ourselves, we’ll make / restitution of wine and meat consumed, / and add, each one, a tithe of twenty oxen / with gifts of bronze and gold to warm your heart. / Meanwhile, we cannot blame you for your anger,’ ” (ll. 1448-1463, p. 1040). Obviously, Odysseus didn’t buy a single word. “Odysseus glowered under his black brows / and said: / ‘Not for the whole treasure of your fathers, / all you enjoy, lands, flocks, or any gold / put up by others, would I hold my hand. / There will be killing until the score is paid. / You forced yourselves upon this house. Fight your way out, / or run for it, if you think you can escape death. / I doubt one man of you skins by,’ ” (ll. 1464-1471, p. 1040). And then, he gets his revenge by murdering all of them. Personally, I think he could’ve just accepted Eurymachus’ offer and taken the lot of gold. And if he did, he could still manipulate them further. He could keep threatening them until he gets all of their gold, and, if he still wants to, kill them all anyway. I’m just saying Odysseus didn’t extract all the rewards he could’ve from this scenario. Either way, there are many different ways this could’ve been handled. In the end, though, Odysseus decided to kill them all right off the bat. I believe that Odysseus’ actions were justified, because at the time, what were considered to be important values in life were different. And yes, Odysseus may have overreacted a little bit, but it should be common knowledge that you shouldn’t cross a Greek war hero, even if he’s presumed dead.

  12. In the end of the Odyssey, Odysseus meets his final revenge. This revenge is built up of pain from all of his past hardships, during the Trojan War, on his journey home and home now where men are destroying his home and his family. Odysseus watches as his men steal his food, and learns about all of those people who were trying to bid for his wife and take away the life that was his and not in the shape to be taken. He has been through hell and back to make his trip home, and little did he know that his home was being treated as a playground built for greedy middle aged men. For the past 10 years after the war, Odysseus has wanted nothing more than to get back to his home and for his life to calm down, but that final moment when he should be the happiest man that he has ever been, he is greeted by chaos. These actions and destruction anger Odysseus so much that he decides to kill all the men and people that have ruined his home and his happiness for him. He sees their actions as disrespectful and meant to be dealt with, so he will go to any lengths to make sure that the next people know that what these men did was not okay. Odysseus started with hatred in his burning eyes and killed Antinous with an arrow. “He drew his fist the cruel head of an arrow for Antinous just as the young man leaned to lift his beautiful drinking cup, embossed, two-handled, golden: the cup was in his fingers: the wine was even at his lips: and did he dream of death?” page 1039 Here, Odysseus is explaining what he saw the minute before he killed Antinous and how he saw a regular man sitting there who maybe didn’t deserve to meet his end. This is a sign here of our moral universe and what makes us human, our conscience. The moments before Odysseus decides to shoot that arrow, his eyes open and he sees a man who can’t help himself. But Odysseus is blinded by his pain and it takes over him. His pain is avenged when he finally shoots the arrow and eventually kills the other men. But we are stuck when he is stuck as well because there is a moment where heart almost overcomes hate. In this tale though, hatred one so this story hopes to teach us to keep that from happening the next time.

  13. In my opinion, Odysseus was justified in killing the suitors. The now dead men crossed a line when they not only asked for Penelope’s hand in marriage, but when they also started using Odysseus’ land and cattle as their own. When Odysseus comes into his home as a beggar, Antinous says, “‘These men have bread to throw away on you/ because it is not theirs. Who cares? Who spares/ another’s food, when he has more than plenty?’”(1029) The suitors were killing his cattle and using his land without a care or thought. They didn’t care that they were using someone else’s food or land. They were also planning to kill Telemachus, one of the rightful owners of the property.
    A very important question we should ask ourselves would be, if Odysseus let the suitors go, what would stop them from murdering Telemachus and trying to get rid of Odysseus? They were already plotting to kill Odysseus’ son, and they could make a plot to kill Odysseus, too. Although killing him off would be very hard, there would be nothing that stops them from doing so. They all have the freedom to meet in groups, and they could collect weapons and recruit men onto their side. Also, if the suitors really wanted to, they could bribe one of Odysseus’ friends to try to turn against him. Money, cattle, food, and land can all convince people to turn against their friends, unless they are very loyal, like Argus, even though he wasn’t a human. Even though I hate bloody stuff and killing in general, in this case I agree with Odysseus’ choice to kill all of the suitors.

  14. In the Odyssey, Odysseus comes home from his twenty year journey only to discover that people are trying to kill his son and marry his wife just for the power of being the king. Personally, I feel disgusted by what everyone did in this situation. Starting off with the men, the men had no right to try and kill Odysseus’ son just to get to his wife because they shouldn’t kill anyone and if they want to fall in love with Penelope, then actually fall in love with her, don’t just use her for the power to rule over Ithaca. I learned many lessons and still have many more to learn but I do know that people make mistakes, there is a good in everyone, and sometimes we have to forgive others. Using this, I can now see how the men made a mistake by thinking that those things were acceptable, but after all, they feel as if they can help Ithaca after the loss of Odysseus who left and thinks that everything can just go back to normal. Anyways, these men should be forgiven not killed like Odysseus wanted to do. Moving on, Odysseus should know better. He spent twenty years with people who were dying and don’t get to see their family again. Before running off to kill the people, Odysseus should have a civilized conversation with each one of them to find out why they are doing this. By talking to them, he won’t skip to conclusions risking the death of those innocent who will be mourned by their families. Lastly, I think Penelope is smart but should stand up for herself. Once Odysseus kills the men with his bow proving himself worthy, Penelope tests Odysseus to make sure it is truly him. This is very smart because over the years, many have pretended to be Odysseus. Anyways, she should have stood up for herself and told others that they are waiting for Odysseus and since she has power, they have to abide by it. I feel as if Penelope would have known and been more excited to finally find Odysseus after all these years. To conclude, I feel as if the precautions taken were incorrect but with the power of forgiveness, maybe all of this would be solved out and turn back to the way it used to be.

  15. Finally! The best part of the Odyssey! After 20 years, Odysseus is finally home, and he’s about to kill all those people who have invaded his house, eaten his food, and attempted to force his wife to marry them. Personally, I believe their deaths are well earned. First of all, you don’t force yourself into a woman’s house at the first sign of her husbands death in an attempt to marry her. They feel no empathy towards Penelope, and it really doesn’t help when you repeat the same sentence “Hey, have you decided to marry me yet?”. None of them valued how she felt. Instead, they thought of the power they could have if they were the wife of Penelope. And with all these wealthy men who have the finest clothes and bathe in liquid gold essentially, not one person decided to gift anything of value to Penelope. Not one! They would have been a lot better off had they gifted her flowers or bought her gifts instead of eating all her food. this even further shows the lack of care that they all have for Penelope, and frankly it’s a big problem and a leading cause in Odysseus’ need for revenge. And the icing on the cake is when Antinous threw a chair at Odysseus. Odysseus appeared as a begger before the bunch of them, and the “finest in Ithaca” threw a chair at him. For these reasons, I have no reason to feel bad for the suitors at all.

  16. Today Odysseus finally gets his revenge, which I think is well justified. As we have been talking about on the last few blogs, Odysseus returns to Ithaca to find men in his house eating his food and trying to marry his wife. Odysseus watches the men live off of his family’s earnings, when they definitely could have gotten food on their own. Odysseus got through his time home disguised as a beggar, by knowing that he will get well-deserved revenge soon enough. On today’s reading he finally did it. “He drew his fist the cruel head of an arrow for Antinous just as the young man leaned to lift his beautiful drinking cup, embossed, two-handled, golden: the cup was in his fingers: the wine was even at his lips: and did he dream of death?” (page 1039). This describes the moment before Odysseus shot him. Odysseus then proceeds to shoot all of the suitors. In all his anger he feels not regret and is able to take down all the men since they had no protection and no weapons to protect themselves. I personally think that Odysseus’ anger and revenge is justified. For the past 20 years Odysseus has been away from his family and he comes back to people trying to take his place and people living off of his family’s earnings in his home. Even if Odysseus was dead, he died fighting for the people of Ithaca, and the suitors couldn’t even do enough to respect him by staying out of his house and away from his wife. They should respect any man in that way, nevertheless Odysseus. I think it was highly disrespectful and Odysseus had the right to be angry and take his revenge on the men. Even if you think that killing them was going too far, Ms. Quinson was saying how things were different then, it was normal to kill someone. All in all I think that Odysseus’ revenge was well fueled and well deserved in the end.

  17. In my point of view, despite that not going well in our present court, I think Odysseus had somewhat of a good reason to kill all the men. The suitors were greedy and rude, and stupidly yelled at Odysseus for killing Antinous, but at least they were brave. Sure, he had taken their lives, but think about what they were taking: his wife, his son’s life, his house, his food, his weapons, and his land. Also, based on how they were described, they most likely didn’t fight in the Trojan War, and at the same time they were disrespecting Odysseus. Those are things that cannot be solved by some land, money and cattle. On the other hand, killing a lot of men seemed pretty brutal, but that was really it. As for why he had punished everyone equally, I believe that he did that because everyone their shared some part in the plan. Odysseus did not want a single man escaping without being punished. He just kept killing until every single one of them is dead, so it could equal their debt to him. If I were to take things differently, I would probably instead create a plan that would not kill the suitors but destroy them by humiliating and shaming them. That way, they will suffer and yet still live through the pain Odysseus went through, while not hurting his state as a hero as much.

  18. In tonight’s reading of “Odysseus’ Revenge” and “Penelope’s Test,” pp. 1037 – 1046, Odysseus finally gets to kill all of the suitors who overran his home, tried to kill his son, try to marry Penelope and take his place as ruler of Ithica. Already angered because none of his crew made it alive and the voyage back home being so dreadful, when he found all the suitors he was furious. Still dressed as a beggar, Odysseus shoots the arrow through the twelve axes. Soon after, he decided that it was the right time to kill Antinous who was pretty much the leader of the suitors. After he announces that he is Odysseus, Eurymachus tells Odysseus that it was all Antinous’s fault for everything and because they followed him, they would all pay him back. Odysseus was not one to be bribed and did not care what anyone did. He desired blood. Eurymachus gave up on trying to convince Odysseus not to kill him and tell all the men to try to kill Odysseus. Every single person tried to kill Odysseus or escape, but Odysseus, his son, Eurmaes and a few others fought with him and killed every last one of the suitors. After, Penelope created a test to ensure that Odysseus was Odysseus so she asked him to move his bed and Odysseus refused to do it because it was impossible and the craftsmanship was too good to be damaged. Penelope realized it was Odysseus.

  19. After reading through some of the other posts, it is easy to see the common theme of moral values and the time period come into play when it’s down to whether or not Odysseus’ revenge was justified. I do think that his actions are justified, but only because of the different moral values seen in those much older times. Today, you would never see someone go on a killing spree under all of the conditions seen in the epic, especially if you were thought dead after 20 years. Would you be angry? Sure, you have a right to, but to an extent. Unless of course you’re clinically insane, you would probably deal with the issue in a much more civilized way. However, because this takes place in ancient Grecian times, everyone was all about honor and pride, and so Odysseus’ actions do make sense. To come home after 20 years of perilous travelling and fearsome monsters and see a throng of men courting your wife and taking over your home, you would most likely be furious. It was a very violent strategy to slaughter all of the suitors, and he probably could have been done with just killing Antinous, but I think that at that point, Odysseus just felt so angry that he wanted to get it all over with, so to speak. Furthermore, Eurymachus made an attempt to talk his way out of dying, claiming that it was all Antinous making them stay there, but I honestly don’t believe that. If they’re all obsessed with having honor and pride, then why would they just give it up so easily to a jerk like Antinous? Unless they were just terrified of him, I doubt that that’s the case. It was clever for Eurymachus to try and convince Odysseus that they were all innocent, but his quick thinking didn’t get past the even more clever war hero.

  20. I think Odysseus’s was pretty justified. The suitors tried to plot to murder his only son. If they went through with it, Odysseus would’ve never seen his son again. Not only that but they tormented his wife, ransacked and raveged his home, ate his food and lived there with no invitation. They tried to marry his wife even though she was still married. They also made Penelope feel awful because she loathed and they were around her constantly. They were a very bad lot those suitors. So yeah, even though Antinous was the worst, the rest all enabled his behavior. They complied with his deviant plots, they followed him blindly and didn’t care about Penelope or Odysseus’s feelings. All of them disrespected Penelope and her son, and Odysseus. Odysseus shouldn’t have that any other way. Those men tormented his family and had a murder plot aganist his son, it’s only fair that he takes them out for their treachery. To be honest, Odysseus handled the suitors nicely. He defended his family’s honor, protected his wife and son from a bunch of degenerates.

  21. I believe that Odysseus’ revenge is justified. It is justified because not only did the suitors invade hi home, try and take his wife, who, keep in mind, is still married, and take all is land and profits. They discarded Odysseus’ dog and Argus died, they plotted to murder, Telemachus, the prince, and they were just a huge lot of rotten buggers. Even if some of them weren’t as bad as, let’s say, Antinous, they still were cowardly, and blamed him that the reason they were here was because of his idea, not a collective alliance between them to rampage Odysseus’ house. I think the problem of the suitors could have been handled less bloodily, but then again, if I was voyaging trying to find home for twenty years, then I come home to a bunch of strange snobby men, eating my food, in my palace, trying to steal my wife, I don’t think that Odysseus’ would have dealt with it any other way, he is a warrior after all. But that doesn’t mean it is justified to murder. I simply say that it is something I would expect from Odysseus’.

  22. In Odysseus Revenge in the Odyssey Odysseus may have gotten a little out of hand. Odysseus decided to kill off Antinous first which is strong justified. He was there only to take over Ithaca and he had no regard or respect towards Odysseus land food and even his wife. He was an evil man who was willing to get Ithaca by any means. He was basically the ringleader for all those men to be guided by. Without Antinous they had no real purpose there. After Odysseus dealt with Antinous he might have been a little carried away in the moment. He decided to kill every suitor off right then and there. What makes this a little uncalled for on Odysseus part is that they tried to call for peace and they would even pay Odysseus part of their cattle to make up what he lost. However Odysseus slaughtered them. It makes clear sense why he would do such a thing. They invaded his property and tried to take his home however the Odysseus shown here is clearly not the Odysseus we know. He felt know remorse for these men and took their lives without consideration. Some could say that he may have acted a little unheroic

  23. In the given reading, we read about how Odysseus reveals himself to Ithaca, and proceeds to mercilessly slaughter all those who have taken over his food, home, and family. He begins by killing their leader, Antinous. The rest of the suitors are defenceless and scattered before they even know what’s happened. Odysseus tells his wife at this point who he is and passes her test. Then, in a final showdown, the climax of the Odyssey, he be beings his son with him to slaughter every last suitor to do him wrong. The suitors even say it’s not their fault, and that they’ll pay Odysseus many great things if he spares them. Odysseus, however, is in no mood for mercy and promises every last one of them death. But was it just? I do not think that killing every one of them was Justine necessary. If there’s one thing Odysseus should have learned from his trip, it’s that death is terrible. He could have closed this out showing how he had grown morally. He could have shown the great side of humanity by learning and changing. But, perhaps as a message from Homer about the Human Condition, Odysseus ignored all of this in a blind rage. Perhaps Homer is trying to tell us that no matter how hard we try, that some things are unchangeable about human nature.

  24. In the reading tonight, we read about Odysseus’ revenge on all the suitors. He starts by killing Antinous, the “ring leader.” He, his son, Telemachus, and a group of his faithful followers continue to kill all of the rest of the suitors. Then Penelope is very perplexed at the sight of this man because many men have come to her claiming to her that he is her husband. Therefore, she holds a test. She says to Odysseus that one of her servants have moved their bed. Odysseus is enraged and says no one can have moved that bed because he made it with an olive tree; therefore, it is impossible to move. Penelope realizes that the man standing before her was indeed Odysseus and she is overjoyed. I was reading Matt’s blog post and I agreed with a lot of his points. Odysseus comes home from 20 years, waiting and fighting monsters so he could come home to his wife and child. And here he comes, to his home, and there is a line of suitors ready to court Penelope. Of course, he would be angry. I would be angry as well. It was very just to kill Antinous because everyone can agree, that he was a very mean individual as well as nasty. I also agree that it was just that he killed all the other suitors because, in one way or another, they’re all there for the same reason: to marry Penelope and gain power. However, it was a little over the top. But, during that time period, what Odysseus did was acceptable, and that is what needs to be taken into account.

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