“Heads up, lads! We must obey the orders as I give them.”

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Tonight please read pages 1004-1010, in which Odysseus discusses two of his adventures, then consider what we can learn from both the adventures with the Sirens and Scylla & Charybdis.

Ideas to consider:

  • What quality gets Odysseus through this journey?
  • What heroic qualities does Odysseus exhibit in avoiding their peril?
  • How do these ideas come up in other literature, life, current day events or culture?

Naturally, you should respond to at least one other comment in this thread, and always follow the rules of standard American English.

Mythology blog #10

46 thoughts on ““Heads up, lads! We must obey the orders as I give them.”

  1. In both of the adventures of Odysseus, with the Sirens and with Scylla and Charybdis, Odysseus exhibits many heroic qualities as he deals with these creatures. First with the Sirens, Odysseus shows many qualities often found in heroes. The story starts with Odysseus leaving Circe and embarking from her island. He says, “I made straight for the ship, roused up the men/ to get aboard and cast off at the stern./ They scrambled to their places by the rowlocks/ and all in line dipped oars into the great sea.” (page 1005). Before he leaves, however, Circe tells him that they are about to pass through the land of the Sirens. The sirens are bird like women who use their beautiful voices to tempt men onto their island and away from their journey. Circe advises Odysseus to be the only man in his crew who should listen to the song of the Sirens, and Odysseus formulates a plan. He has his men tie him up against the main mast and makes sure his crew will be completely blocked off. Homer shows Odysseus and his cleverness, saying “I carved/ a massive cake of beeswax into bits/ and rolled them in my hands until they softened… Going forward/ I carried wax along the line, and laid it/ thick on their ears” (page 1006). He then has his men sail pass the Sirens with him on the mast, and Odysseus witnesses them calling to him. They play to his ego, talking of his heroic deeds in Troy, trying to lure him from the ship. It doesn’t work, and Odysseus and his men sail past. At first he is sad, yet he soon comes to his senses to lead his men through the next great obstacle, that of Scylla and Charybdis. Scylla is a monster that would haunt passing ships, taking six men from Odysseus. Charybdis is a whirlpool that often took down ships. Odysseus chooses to not tell his men about either, as he is afraid that his men will be too terrified to even continue rowing. Odysseus opts to face Scylla over Charybdis, and is able to make it out with losing only the six men. They then sail ahead, Scylla and Charybdis dropping behind them. Odysseus shows many characteristics of a hero while getting past these two obstacles. To me, he shows perseverance as he manages to stay extremely focused on the task, instead of getting distracted by all of the commotion occurring around him. He also shows selflessness, as at first he does not tell his men about Scylla or Charybdis. He instead urges them to keep rowing, trying to get them out of danger as fast as possible. While it may seem selfish that he was the only one to hear the song of the Sirens, he made sure that each of his men were prepared to face the Sirens before he faced them. Thus, after reading these tales of Odysseus, it becomes clear that Odysseus was selfless, focused, and determined on getting him and his men passed the dangers of the Sirens and Scylla and Charybdis.

    • Great response Matt, you had a very detailed way of writing and all of the points that you made were clear and easy to understand. Nice Job!

  2. In the stories of Scylla and Charybdis and the Sirens, Odysseus exhibits many heroic qualities that we may have seen from him before and maybe not. In the story of the Sirens, it begins with Odysseus and Circe and him running to his ship with his men to get away from her and to be safer. He then shares with them what Circe foresaw and how they can avoid it. “ I made straight for the ship, roused up the men to get aboard and cast off the sterns.” page 1005. Here, he is showing that he wants to protect himself and his men from harm. He also shows the trait of wanting to protect and take care of his men in the story of Scylla and Charybdis. In the beginning of this adventure on their journey, Odysseus explains that their ship started to move, losing their oars and throwing them off course and they were covered in a fog of smoke and sailing in a crazy sea. Odysseus does not want his men to become scared or feel threatened by this event so he tries his best to calm them down and to do so quickly. “ ‘Friends, have we never been in danger before this? More fearsome, is it now, than when the Cyclops penned us in his cave? What power he had! Did I not keep my nerve and use my wits to find a way out for us.” page 1007. He tries his very best to reassure the men about the peril that they are in. All Odysseus has wanted for their entire journey is to get home, and he wants to make sure that his men never feel as though they should lose their hope because it will get better eventually. In this way, Odysseus is showing similar traits to those that a parent would have towards their kid. Whenever there is a problem or trouble in a situation, good parents are the first to try and calm down there kids and make whatever is wrong better for them. Parents give their children advice and wish for them to have the personal qualities that will get them through a bad situation. That is the same thing that Odysseus does for his men in order to help them try and return back home.

  3. In Odysseus’ journey past the Sirens, Scylla, and Charybdis, he has displayed one characteristic many times; trust. Odysseus has a lot of trust and faith in his men. He tells them to tie him up so that he could listen to the Siren’s song, and to not let him out no matter what happened, and they listened to his orders. If they would have betrayed his trust and untied him, he would have died. Odysseus placed his life in the hands of his crew. “‘Therefore/ you are to tie me up, tight as a splint,/ erect along the mast, lashed to the mast,/ and if I shout and beg to be untied,/ take more turns of the rope to muffle me.’”(1005) To trust his life to his crew members means that the trust he has in them is huge. Trust is a very important part of being a good leader. If you trust people, then it is easier to make your way through life. The people you trust will be there for you if you ever need help. With a trusted person, life isn’t as hard and depressing. That is why it is very important to trust others, especially if you are having a hard time. In modern times, a lot of children are having trouble with the amount of homework or tests or friend problems going on in their lives. It is crucial for these kids to have a trusted adult or friend/sibling to turn to. Many children are also hurting themselves because of the hardships they face in life. Most of these kids have no one to turn to for help. There is nobody they trust supporting them. And the amount of trust you have in that person doesn’t have to be huge. You don’t have to be trusting someone enough that you could put your life in their hands, like Odysseus did with his crew. I, for one, have my sister, that I would trust with my life, but not everyone has a person that they could trust that much. But if you trust that person a lot or not that much doesn’t matter. Odysseus showed us that having trust in others is very important, and we should all learn from this lesson.

  4. Odysseus shows many examples of his leadership and heroic qualities in the two stories that we read today. In the story of The Sirens, Odysseus tells his men all about his plans. He is to be tied down to the ship as tightly as possible, and if he cries out that he wants to leave, he tells his men to tie him down even more. Then, he also protects his men, by having them put wax in their ears so they do not hear The Sirens singing. Odysseus endures his way through the poem that The Sirens sing to him. They try to convince him to leave the ship by praising all of his good deeds and qualities, but due to his strength and his plan, he is able to stay on the ship. This shows leadership, as he sacrifices himself while protecting his men. Then, when they come up against the waters that contain Scylla and Charybdis, Odysseus decides to not tell his men about them. This is because he knows that if they know about the monster, they will panic and stop rowing, and simply hide. They might also become overwhelmed with fear. Odysseus knows that this will get them all killed, so he makes the decision to sacrifice a few men instead of risking the whole boat of men. This shows leadership, as Odysseus knows that losing a few men is much better than risking the prospect of losing a ton of his men.

  5. After reading the Sirens and Scylla and Charybdis, we see the continuous patterns of Odysseus’ heroic qualities. However, we also see his flaws. In Sirens, we see Odysseus’ selflesness and his dedication to stay on task and not be lured by the seductive women flattering Odysseus. Again we see here Odysseus’ flaw. We see his very high level of huberus. Fortunately, Odysseus’ acknowledges this flaw and gives permission to his crew members and forces them to tie him up. “‘Therefore/ you are to tie me up, tight as a splint,/ erect along the mast, lashed to the mast,/ and if I shout and beg to be untied,/ take more turns of the rope to muffle me.’”(1005) We see here his fierce dedication and fearlessness to being tied up. He could’ve easily said no and backed away. However, being selfless, dedicated and fearless are all characteristics that contribute towards being a good leader. In Scylla and Charybdis, I disagree with his actions. As much as the fact that this is mythology and he was trying to save his men. Odysseus didn’t tell his men because he knew they were going to be distraught, frightened and scared. However, the fact is that the situation and being caught off guard made it worse for his men. On page 1007 it says, “ ‘Friends, have we never been in danger before this? More fearsome, is it now, than when the Cyclops penned us in his cave? What power he had! Did I not keep my nerve and use my wits to find a way out for us.” This was a pep talk that should’ve been given before the attack, so the men could’ve figured out something to do or shield themselves. However, Odysseus, like a soldier was just a brave young man, trying to keep his crew or troops safe. He succeeded in getting past the horrors of Circe, Scylla and Charybdis. Ryan said in her blog above, about how Odysseus resembles parents today, and I agree. Especially, immigrant parents who have come from foreign countries without papers and with little to no money. They’re just trying to live the American Dream and have everything for their children that they couldn’t. They sacrifice their hard earned money, toil and sweat for their food and education. Odysseus, like a soldier and like a parent, works toward his troops, his children, and his crew to keeping them safe and sacrificing many things.

    • Anjali, you have a great analysis of Odysseus’ good and bad qualities, though I think that I disagree with the idea that he shouldn’t have told his men that they would get through it. In the text it says that his men did in fact see the monsters and that’s why they were scared, so by Odysseus giving them comforting words, I don’t think it was false hope or anything but more of a captain reassuring his men and making sure that their fear didn’t get the better of them. That’s just my opinion, but great response!

  6. In the two stories of Odysseus’s journey that we read today, Odysseus shows more heroic qualities. In the story of the Sirens, Circe tell Odysseus that he must listen to the Siren’s lure. The Sirens are bird-like women that sing to lure the sailors and travelers. In the text, we can see that the songs are specified depending on the person. Odysseus creates a plan and explains it to his men. This shows Odysseus’s leadership, management and skills of control. This is a trait that all heroes should have. Odysseus makes sure that his men cover their ears with wax, while he is tied up. He orders his men to never untie him when the Sirens lure him in. Odysseus is also caring and thinks of others. While making sure he is safe, he also creates a plan for his crewman. He is selfless, and is determined to return home, not alone, but with his men. Odysseus also has some father-like characteristics that are displayed in the story of Scylla and Charybdis. In contrast to the story of the Sirens, Odysseus does not explain his plans to his men in Scylla and Charybdis. When the crew is faced with white waters and Scylla and Charybdis, Odysseus gets worried that his men will panic. Therefore, he does not let his men take part and know his plan. Like a father, Odysseus cares for his men and takes care of them. He makes sure that they are safe, and takes into consideration their fears and instinct to panic. My father has always protected me and makes sure that I am also okay mentally. Odysseus, too, shows these heroic traits.

    • Great blog, Ellie! However, I think that Odysseus relationship with his men would be more so like a friendship or bond, rather than a parent. A father does look after his children, but a friend sticks with you and bears the same difficulties. Both Odysseus and his crew are in the same position trying to return home. I probably didn’t explain it so well, but it just feels this way to me.

  7. In our reading tonight, Odysseus discusses two of his adventures along the way to return to Ithaca. Throughout both, Odysseus’s displays his ability to problem solve and use his wits, which allows him to overcome the challenges so far in his journey. The first obstacle he had to pass was listening to the Sirens, as Circe had urged him to do. His intelligence allows him to think of a way to do so without dying, and figures out the idea to get his crew to tie him to the mast. He also commands them to stuff wax in their ears, so that they would not be affected by the Sirens’ beguiling songs. Next, he had to pass the monsters Scylla and Charybdis, and tries to reassure his men by reminding them of previous victories. For instance, he recalls that back in Polyphemus’ cave, he had kept calm and devised a solution to survive. “Friends, have we never been in danger before this? More fearsome, is it now, than when the Cyclops penned us in his cave? What power he had! Did I not keep my nerve, and use my wits to find a way out for us?” After he finishes his speech, he still doesn’t warn his men of the oncoming danger. He realizes that if he did, his men would drop their oars and go under deck, thus dooming them all. “I told them nothing, as they could do nothing. They would have dropped their oars again, in panic, to roll for cover under the decking.” Overall, Odysseus wits and guile helps him and his crew avoid a tragic demise.

  8. In both adventures of Odysseus, involving the Sirens and Scylla and Charybdis, many heroic qualities are portrayed within Odysseus. In the story of the Sirens, Odysseus leaves Circe to continue his journey, with a warning about the Sirens that were they were bound to encounter. Sirens are a combination of birds and women, who use their voices to tempt and distract men onto their islands away from their journey. Circe advises Odysseus to be the only man to listen to the song of the Sirens. As a result, being the intelligent and strategic man he is, Odysseus devices a plan where he has his men tie him up and make sure his crew will be completely isolated from him. Next, Odysseus urges his men to sail past the Sirens with him still tied up on the mast, and they all sail past the Sirens. Later on, Odysseus comes across, yet another, challenge being that of Scylla and Charybdis. Scylla is a monster that scared passing ships, and Charybdis is whirlpool that took down ships. As stated above, Odysseus is very intelligent and strategic, and in having those qualities, Odysseus chooses not to tell his men about the monsters, because he fears that they will stop rowing and flee, in fear of the monsters. In the end, Odysseus chooses to fight Scylla instead of Charybdis and loses only six men in the process. As you can see, Odysseus possesses many heroic traits that are crucial to his success. He is very focused on his tasks, selfless, brave, courageous, and determined to continue his journey.

  9. As we progress through The Odyssey, Odysseus’ heroic traits continue to shine through. His adventures with the Sirens and Scylla and Charybdis have demonstrated these traits. With the Sirens, Odysseus demonstrates tremendous amounts of trust. He trusts his crew enough to leave his fate in their hands. After all, he wouldn’t have been able to overcome the rule of the Sirens alone. If his crew hadn’t held him back and tied him to the mast, he would be dead at the hands of the Sirens.”The lovely voices in ardor appealing over the water / made me crave to listen, and I tried to say / ‘Untie me!’ to the crew, jerking my brows; / but they bent steady to the oars. Then Perimedes / got to his feet, he and Eurylochus, / and passed one more line about, to hold me still. / So all rowed on, until the Sirens / dropped under the sea rim, and their singing / dwindled away,” (ll. 745-753, p. 1007). With Scylla and Charybdis, Odysseus shows strength, not physically but mentally and emotionally. He purposely withheld information of Scylla so that his men wouldn’t run around in panic, and if they had then they would all perish. He knew that not all of his men were going to make it out alive, but it was either some of them or all of them, and the former option was the lesser of evils. So he had to stay there and do nothing, and his men had to keep rowing, as six of Odysseus’ best men were taken and devoured by Scylla. “Then Scylla made her strike, / whisking six of my best men from the ship. / I happened to glance aft at ship and oarsmen / and caught sight of their arms and legs, dangling / high overhead. Voices came down to me / in anguish, calling my name for the last time,” (ll. 809-814, p. 1010). Odysseus was definitely depressed at the thought of losing his men. He felt terribly guilty about what he did. “She ate them as they shrieked there, in her den, / in the dire grapple, reaching still for me— / and deathly pity ran me through / at that sight—far the worst I ever suffered, / questing the passes of the strange sea,” (ll. 821-825, p. 1010). These stories demonstrate morals that are still relevant today. From the Sirens, we learn that you can’t accomplish everything by yourself, even if you’re the most brilliant person of everyone around you. Your friends are there for a reason. Sometimes, you need support from others. From Scylla and Charybdis, we learn that sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to achieve a goal. Not every decision is black and white, good or bad. Each choice has its pros and cons. These themes are classic morals that are portrayed in many different pieces of literature. Take Harry Potter, for example. Harry always needed the support of his friends in order to face his destiny. He would be lost without Hermione and Ron. And, in the end, (***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO HASN’T READ IT***) Harry has to die in order to kill Voldemort. Only by risking everything does he finally achieve his goal. In conclusion, the morals and traits that are demonstrated in The Odyssey are still relevenant today.

  10. In tonights reading of “The Sirens” and “Scylla and Charybdis” in the green literature textbook, we get to see a bit more of Odysseus’ characterization unfold. As a leader, Odysseus, displayed many characteristics through his actions. One characteristic on a leader that he displayed was bravery. Odysseus showed bravery in many place and it even gets him out of trouble and allows him to move on. Being brave is many things, its trusting others, believing in others, and standing up for others. In “The Sirens”, Odysseus shows bravery by putting his own faith into other people’s hands and trusting them listen to the sirens. He told his friends, “Therefore you are to tie me up”, trusting his friends with the plans and the job. It takes a lot of bravery not just to try up your friends but having to tell others to tie you for their safety. Moving on, in the story, “Scylla and Charybdis” Odysseus shows bravery by believing in his crew that they can fight and win even if its a surprise. Odysseus was brave and didn’t tell his friends even if it went against what he believed. Although he was scared, he kept a brave face on and helped his friends by saying ‘Friends, have we never been in danger before this? More fearsome, is it now, than when the Cyclops penned us in his cave? What power he had! Did I not keep my nerve and use my wits to find a way out for us” which allowed others to be brave. Odysseus was brave even when he had a bit of fright inside of him and with his bravery, he survived to tell and explore many more journeys. His bravery also had a positive reaction on others. When he put a brave face, so did his friends and that’s a very good thing for a leader to do. To conclude, Odysseus showed a great deal of bravery even when he had his doubts.

    • This is a great analysis, Noy! I liked how you mentioned that Odysseus was still afraid, but he showed heroic qualities. This really outlines how he is still a human, although he has to show bravery. Great work!

    • I liked how you mentioned that Odysseus was still afraid, but he showed heroic qualities. This really outlines how he is still a human, although he has to show bravery. Other than being brave, he was also showing decision-making. Great work!

  11. In the two adventures we read about in class today, there are many valuable lessons we can take away from them. In the first story, “The Sirens,” Odysseus tells his men of the women who sing songs of honor, and prosperity. He tells his crew that he must be tied down so he can listen to the songs, while they have wax in their ears to disregard the song. Odysseus shows his sense of being prepared, and self-control. Although he was crying out to be untied, he knew that his men would follow his orders, and that his plan would work. It is important to trust your friends, and to plan ahead and have self-control. In the next story, “Scylla and Charybdis,” Odysseus is faced with the choice of letting only six of his men die at the hands of Scylla, or to have all of their lives taken. Odysseus stands for his men, and tells them that they must find the bravery within them to sail through the storm. Odysseus then sacrifices the six men to Scylla so he can go through with the rest of his journey. This story talks about the greater good, and how although there are still casualties, someone still did survive. It reminds me of a philosophical question, that goes like this: A trolley is coming onto a track that separates; one of the two tracks has five people, and the other track has one person. If you are in control of the trolley, would you steer the vehicle to let the one person live, and the five would get run over? Or would you steer the trolley to let five people live, but running over one. Odysseus’ situation is to kill six, and let one (himself live), or to get everyone killed. He chooses the path that would allow for a survivor. Himself. This can be seen as a selfish choice, because he was in control and he knew what was going to happen. However, his ultimate goal isn’t to become a hero, but to come home. Like in our other blog, those who die on the battlefield are honored, but those who survived are forgotten. And Odysseus chose to come home.

  12. Today we read two stories from the Odyssey; The story of the sirens and the story of Scylla and Charybdis. In both stories Odysseus shows great courage and leadership qualities, as well as quick thinking. We see his courage since he went on these journeys, even though he knew what would happen to him and his crew; the dangers they would face. Tiresias told Odysseus about the songs of the sirens and that he would lose some of his men to Scylla. A normal man would just give up and not risk anything happening to himself or his crew, but Odysseus if different. He shows great strength and courage that no other man has. His leadership shows when he makes the decision to tell his men about the sirens, but not about Scylla. The reason that he tells his crew about the Sirens, were that they knew why they had to keep him tied up; but with Scylla he didn’t tell his crew. I’m not exactly sure why, but I suspect it is because he didn’t want them to lose hope. After they got past the sirens, I would assume that the men were proud of themselves, and knowing that some of them wouldn’t continue after meeting Scylla would definitely lower their hope. Only a real leader would know that. We see Odysseus’ quick thinking when making his decision to or not to tell his men about what was to come. As I said before, the men would lose hope if they knew about Scylla, and Odysseus had to think of that. All of these qualities can be applied to everyday life, most importantly leadership. I think that everyone needs some sort of leadership. Whether it is in a group project, at work, or in your family, everyone is in some sort of leadership situation in life, and we can learn qualities for these situations from Odysseus.

  13. Odysseus journeys to many places while at sea for 9 years trying to get him and his men home. Two of those places are the Sirens and Scylla and Charybdis. In these journeys, he shows many heroic characteristics. First, he takes the advice to travel here which shows he doesn’t always think he knows what to do. This is important because he ends up saving him and his by doing this. Also, in the Sirens, he has his men tie him up to prevent him from wanting to go to the Sirens. This shows he has faith in his men which is good because he can’t do everything by himself. Another characteristic he has is shown in the Scylla and Charybdis story. He doesn’t tell his men about the monsters which is smart because then the men wouldn’t keep going forward. He also needs to be smart in many other journeys to make it through the dangerous situation. Another characteristic shown in both is bravery. He was brave to listen to the Sirens and trust his men tie him up when he knows he could’ve gotten eaten. Also, he makes his men roll into sea monsters which isn’ something that most people would do. All of the ideas shown can be used in real life. When Odysseus takes the profits advice it shows how you should listen to other people sometimes and not be so stubborn. Also, Odysseus knows he will lose some men if goes through Scylla and Charybdis but does it because he knows they will benefit in a bigger way from it. This shows that sometimes we have to give things up for the greater good. When Odysseus has faith in his men we learn we should trust others. Almost every story in Greek Mythology has an aspect of it that we can take and use in real life.

  14. Today, we read pages 1004-1010, in which Odysseus discusses two of his adventures with the Sirens and Scylla & Charybdis. Odysseus exhibits many heroic qualities in this part of the Odyssey. First, in the Sirens, Odysseus tells his men to tie him up to the main mast so that when the bird women try to entrap him with their beautiful voices, he cannot move. This shows two of his qualities. He is clever. He knows that if he wants to go home, he has to not fall into the bird women’s trap so by tieing him up, he cannot escape. Also, this shows his selflessness. This is because he wants to make sure that he gets his crew and himself back home. He does not want to just give up his journey for some bird women. “I carved a massive cake of beeswax into bits and rolled them in my hands until they softened… Going forward. I carried wax along the line, and laid it thick on their ears” (p. 1006). Also, he is heroic when his journey is almost put to an abrupt end by Scylla and Charybdis. Scylla is a monster who tries to destroy any nearby ships and Charybdis is a whirlpool who tries to destroy incoming ships. However, he refuses to tell his men about them. This shows his cleverness because by not telling his men, he is able to man his men have no fear when rowing the boat.

    • I do agree that Odysseus is clever at times, and he cares a lot about his men. He has helped and advised his men so they too had a chance to survive, but I don’t think selflessness is the best way to phrase that. He does think of his men often, but he does also think of himself as much as his men, and sometimes keeps secrets from them because of either no trust, pride, or of a secret plan.

  15. In this part of the Odyssey, Odysseus encounters three dangers. Firstly he meets the Sirens, bird-like women, or women-like birds, depending on who tells and from what time. These creatures lure the sailors of passing ships onto their island by singing to them. I believe that the song that you here, is the song of something that you are proud of. Something that will make your ego grow, and therefore make you want to meat the people that adore you so.

    Odyseus, being prepared for the Sirens tells his men what must happen. They must tie him to the master and let him listen, and that they must not untie him, instead, if he begs Tobe untied, they must tie him even more tightly. Odyseus then gives all the men wax so that they won’t be able to here the songs of the sirens, and hence, will not be affecyed, and will not want to abandon their mission. The song that Odyseus here’s from the Sirens is one about how great he was at the Battle of Troy. They tell him that he is a great warrior, and Odyseus likes this. He begs his sailors to untie him, but they follow his previous email instructions to tie him titer. They pass the Sirens, and at first, Odyseus is sad. He so badly ly wanted to leave and join the Sirens, but he soon forgot about that fore their second encounter and it’s two dangers soon approached.

    The second encounter that we read about has double the trouble as the others. This time it is not one thing that they must overcome, but two. Soon they are greeted by the screams of Scylla and the relentless waters of Charybdis. Odysseus chose not to tell his men of these two beasts that they will meat, for he feared that it would cause more panicked among them then if they met then without notice. Odysseus swiftly took control over his crew when they saw what was ahead. He went around encouraging the men to keep going, that it will soon be over and to keep calm. Odysseus chooses to face Scylla rather then the whirlpool Charybdis, for he knew that they ran the risk of loosing a few men to Scylla, or the whole ship to Charybdis.

    He was right. He lost six of his best men to Scylla, who was too busy eating the few she grabbed to make sure that Odysseus and the rest didn’t escape. Odysseus and the remainder of his men got away, but they still had much left onto o in order to get home.

    In both encounters Odysseus shows even more characteristics.
    In the first encounter, Odysseus shows just how much trust he has. I believe this to be a very important attribute for a hero. I have never read of there being a hero without someone to teach, guide, or help them. And in order to truly allow yourself to be taught, guided, or helped, you must trust the person that is doing so. If you have any don’t in what they say or do, then you may have just doomed both of you. In this case, Odysseus trusts his men to keep him tide to the mast, and to not give in to his begging. He trusts his men to not commit mutiny.

    In the second encounter, Odysseus again shows just how smart he is. He thinks quickly and calms his men, and then urges them forward towards Scylla, who he knows poses less danger to all of his men. If he were to risk Charybdis, then he could loose the whole ship, but by going through Scylla, he only looses six men.
    He also shows perseverance here. He does not allow himself to be phased by all of the commotion on board, and he keeps pushing on, even when six of his men are in the air, half eaten.

    Odysseus is a very intersting character, who goes through a very intersting ordeal. I can’t wait to read more about him, and his adventures at see.

    • Remy, I really like your theory of what people hear when the Sirens sing, and though I don’t know if I completely agree with it, it’s an interesting perspective. I also think you have good analysis of the characteristics that Odysseus displays in these new chapters, so great work!

  16. During his journey, Odysseus and his men has faced several challenges. So far, they all had to use their qualities to survive. Odysseus shows trust, cleverness, and sacrifice during his journey. When he had encountered the Siren, he had trusted his men with his plan that he cleverly made up, and when he met Scylla and Charybdis, he accepted sacrificing some of his men to save the rest of their crew. Although I dislike him allowing the men who he had been by his side get eaten right in front of him, I understand his cause, and that it is better than having everyone eaten. I also appreciate the thought of keeping his men calm, as panic would definitely change their situation, even if he is being a bit dishonest to his men.

    As to how it can relate to literature or life, it reminds me of a normal Hero’s Journey. Odysseus and his crew was given a call to adventure, when they were told to go to war. Then, after a long war of battling and deceiving enemies, Troy lost the war and collapsed. Now the crew has to return home, where they reach many challenges and make foolish choices that leads to sacrifice, until they finally reach home. From hearing several stories, I think that a Hero’s Journey, including Odysseus’ journey, can relate to both in real life and in literature. Everyone at one point in their lives will make risky decisions, put their trust on others, and sacrifice to achieve their goal. The Odyssey is definitely a work of art.

    • What you wrote was nice. I also agree that it hurts to have some men eaten by the monster Scylla, but you need to do it if anyone is to survive. Both the Iliad and the Odyssey are part of Hero’s Journey and it is nice that you noticed that. Overall, I liked your blog and splitting it into two paragraphs made it easier to follow.

  17. Odysseus demonstrates various heroic qualities that show up repeatedly in other literature, life, current day events, and modern culture. Odysseus demonstrates faith and trust in his men when they encounter the Sirens. After instructing his crew about the Sirens, he asks them to tie him to the mast and entrust his life to them. If the crew members mess up like they so often do, Odysseus will die while none of the other crew members will be directly harmed. Often times the general who has confidence in his force will triumph over an unconfident or untrusting leader. This theme of trusting your men is in many stories and in those stories, the trustworthy men can defeat larger and more powerful forces. With Scylla and Charybdis, Odysseus shows another valued quality. When Odysseus encounters Scylla and Charybdis he sails towards Scylla. He knows by sailing near Scylla the monster will eat six of his crew while going near Charybdis might mean he loses his entire ship. Odysseus makes the difficult choice to sacrifice some of his crew, in order to let the rest decide. This is a trademark characteristic of a leader, the ability to make the hard decisions. This is trait is common in many scenarios, ranging from old fictional novels to modern leaders and culture. Even now, we have to blindly trust that people are making the difficult decisions to try and help us and our economy. Sometimes they don’t always make the well-liked choices, but we need to remain confident that these people make choices with selfless motives. A recent example of this is with Apple. Apple decided to slow down older iPhone models so the phones could last longer and encourage people to buy new phones. This decision wasn’t well liked and Apple needed to offer discounted batteries as reconciliation which hurt its market share and actually decreased the number of people which bought new iPhones. This is a relatively unimportant example yet it shows that people in power need to make good decisions or face consequences. Without the ability to make the difficult choices Odysseus’s crew would never have survived Charybdis. Odysseus also gives words of encouragement to help his crew. Even in modern times, leaders need to encourage their followers that everything will be fine, even if it won’t. Odysseus demonstrates valued qualities from both the past and present and hopefully, we can have more people like him in the future.

  18. In today’s reading, we read the story of the Sirens and Scylla and Charybdis. Basically, the sirens were half bird half woman creatures who would tempt sailors into coming to them, which would lead to the destruction of their boat. Even worse, the next journey Odysseus and his men face is getting past Scylla, the six-headed monster, and Charybdis, the giant whirlpool. Odysseus truly showed how great of a hero he was through these stories. With the sirens, he displays wittiness and intelligence that got him through the challenge. He stuffed his men’s ears with beeswax and has them blind him to the mast of the ship to escape temptation and fall into the sirens’ trap. This is very smart of him. Most other men would have panicked, but not Odysseus! He also cared a lot about his men because he wanted to protect them from the sirens. In the second story, Odysseus and his men were faced with even more challenges. The main theme of the story is loyalty. Odysseus’s men had to be loyal to him although many other things could have distracted them; Odysseus gave them a plan and they had to follow it. He was courageous and made sure his men didn’t panic, so he didn’t tell them about the terrifying monsters. One distinguishing trait I have seen through every single story is that he keeps his cool. There have been so many challenges in his path and he continues to succeed every time. I think this applies to modern times, and how we should never give up and work as hard as Odysseus does. He cares about his men, and wants nothing more than to be at peace at his home. I am excited to keep on reading about the other adventures of Odysseus and his men.

  19. The two qualities that get Odysseus through his journey are his trust and leadership. In the Isle of the Sirens, we learn about these abilities. “Siren’s weave a haunting song over the sea we are to shun, she said, and their green shore all sweet with clover: yet she urged that I alone should listen to their song. Therefore you are to tie me up, tight as a splint erect along the mast, lashed to the mast, and if I shout and beg to be untied, take more turns of the rope to muffle me.”(Pg1005, lines 690-698) This displays that he trusts his crew to take his orders seriously, and to do as he asks without question. He is especially able to trust them, because they would be safe, and would have no fear for themselves. Man’s Primal Instinct is to survive. The crew members know in that case that doing as Odysseus says will keep them alive, and will, therefore, calmy carryout orders. In this action of protecting them from danger with their trust, he is also even further building up the trust, forming an even stronger group. This trust also demonstrates the first part of his leadership abilities. A good leader needs to be able to trust those he leads, or else the group will not be able to function. Without trust, there will be doubt leading to the challenging of authority, eventually leading to mutiny, however with the proper amount of trust, a crew/group will act like a well-oiled machine, everybody doing their part with little to no question. In the story of the sirens, Odysseus once again demonstrates trust and leadership. He, in this case, demonstrates that he knows when not to trust his crew. He does not tell them that six of them will be killed by Scylla as that would cause the crew to cower and hide. This cowering and hiding will cause the rowers to stop, and the ship would be swept into the gaping mouth of Charybdis, killing them all. Odysseus had to decide it would be better for six of his men to die rather than all. This further completes his leadership abilities, as he knew the best way for him to save his crew was to leave them Ignorant.

  20. Some qualities that help Odysseyeus defeat the Sirens and avoid Scylla and Chrybdis are his wit, selflesslness, trust, and how much of a true leader he is. He puts his crew and their well being first. Odysseyeus makes sure that they are fine and attended for before himself. He makes sure that their ears are covered with wax so they avoid the sirens indefinitely and he puts his trust in them to keep him for being lured by them. But sometimes he has to do things that make him seem like a bad leader but prove how talented he really is. He doesn’t say a word about Scylla because he knows his crew will panic and drop their oars in the water this ensuring their early deaths. Despite knowing they’ll die, Odysseyeus does everything he can to give them more time to live. This is also why he’s so caring. He knows they wont make it home but he still tries and gives them hope, he could abandon them and shorten his journey. But he’s so selfless he gives his men a fighting chance at returning to their families while sacrificing more time spent with his. He’s so cunning and knows when his crew is in use to him and when they’ll slow him down. Odysseyeus knows their strengths and weaknesses as a crew and uses that to his advantage in battle.

  21. In the mythological stories following how Odysseus deals with the sirens and then Scylla and Charybdis, Odysseus puts forth yet more heroic traits. The story of the Sirens goes about as follows: Odysseus must travel past the island of the Sirens on his journey home. Odysseus knows that the Sirens sing a beautiful song that attracts everyone to their, island, where the Sirens then eat them. Odysseus was told that he must listen to their song by Circe, so he tells his men to tie him to the mast and cover their own ears with thick beeswax. As he sails through, he hears their soothing voices call to him, singing about how great he was when fighting in the Trojan war. It is at this point that Odysseus displays the main heroic trait of the story. It is only with tremendous amounts of self-restraint and focus that he braves through it. We also learn the most likely reason for Circe telling him to hear their song. Odysseus is impeccable in nearly every aspect, with the exception of humbleness. Circe thought Odysseus must learn what his weakness is and how to deal with it. In the story of Scylla and Charybdis, Odysseus is sailing through the ocean, when a fog rolls in. His men get frightened, and put down their oars to continue rowing. Odysseus knows that the tow terrible monsters of Scylla and Charybdis are soon to appear, but tells his men there is no danger and to continue rowing. This may seem nonsensical at first, but there is a genius to it. Odysseus knew that there was no chance of his men slaying both Charybdis and Scylla, even if they had their weapons drawn and ready. He realized they would stay in one place until the monsters picked off every last one of his men. Odysseus deems mobility their priority, because if they can continue a constant rowing, they could escape the monsters. Even if a few of them get picked off before they can escape, it’s better that having the entire crew dead. This portrays Odysseus’ quick and rational thinking in tight situations. He is determined to bring his men home safe, regardless of the pessimistic foreshadowing.

  22. After reading about Odysseus’ encounters with the Sirens and also with Scylla and Charybdis, there is no doubt that leadership and decision making are the most important qualities that Odysseus has. The concept of pure loyalty, and that his men have no question in his authority, shows his important it is that he have leadership. Without leadership, his crew could not have trusted him in many situations. The first instance of this is Odysseus asking his men to tie him up while passing the Sirens. If it were me, as a soldier I’d definitely prefer if the great Odysseus was unrestricted so that he can help us if something happens. The ability for Odysseus to convince his crew to trust him in every situation is needed in order to be a great leader. Also, he decided that he would have six of his best men die instead of all of them while passing Scylla and Charybdis. The decision of who would die was in his hands, he rather than trying to save them all he sacrificed only a portion of them so that the rest may live. This is a very difficult decision to make because it is clear that Odysseus cares very much about all his soldiers and needs all of them. However, he is constantly making the smart choice and helping the crew survive so that they can return to Ithaca someday .

  23. During Odysseus’ adventures, he and his men come across the Sirens and Scylla & Charybdis. Throughout the escapades, Odysseus displays characteristics of great bravery and trust, along with a more caring and protective trait towards his men. As they pass the Sirens, he tells his shipmates to tie him up to the mast and for them to plug their ears so that he alone can hear the creatures’ song. He doesn’t know what the half-bird, half-women will say but he is trusting his men to tie him up and to not let him go no matter what he says. However, as they pass the sisters Scylla and Charybdis, a more comforting Odysseus is seen, as he reassures his men who are terrified at the sight of the monsters. It may be seen as unfair for him to not point out Scylla up on the cliff, but he only did it because he knew that more fear was the last thing that his men needed. “But as I sent them on toward Scylla, I told them nothing, as they could do nothing. They would have dropped their oars again, in panic, to roll for cover under the decking.” (pg 1009) If he had told them, even more men would have died and the few survivors would be terrified beyond comforting. As for how these adventures relate to modern day events, I agree with Anjali’s perspective of the sailors being like immigrants wanting to return to where it’s safe. Odysseus and his men are voyaging the perilous waters and monsters, all to return to their homes and families, just like immigrants who are looking for a safe place to call home so they can protect and care for their families.

  24. When Odysseus leaves from Circes island Circe has informed him of threats that are to come on Odysseus voyage. These threats are the Sirens, bird like creatures which also resemble woman and the Scylla and the Charybdis , whose goal is to sink his fleet. Odysseus however goes through both of these threats in different manners. For the sirens he decides to reveal his plan to his crew and put his complete trust in them to go according to Circes words. Clearly this shows a trusting side in Odysseus nature. The plan went as followed. Odysseus told his men to tie him down and also told them that only himself was only able to listen to the sirens songs. They surpassed the temptation of the Sirens to later be led to Scylla and Charybdis. Unlike the Sirens these threats terrified the crew of Odysseus. As a result Odysseus did not speak his plan to his crew this time for the sole reason that he did not want to scare him anymore. This shows his nature of being selfless by showing his concern for his crew. Eventually he manages to escape with only a few men dead. Through all these threats Odysseus managed to show a compassionate yet heroic side even through how terrifying things would get

  25. We read Scylla and Charybdis in “The Odyssey”. A great heroic quality that Odysseus exhibits is irrational bravery. Odysseus risked six crew mates to get the rest to safety. There was barely even enough time to Grieve. These qualities also get Odysseus and his crew through this part of the journey. This ideology of seemingly endless bravery and strength in heroes has presented itself in several instances. It shows itself a lot in religion. In more modern religions, too, not just ancient mythology. Overall, this was a very interesting segment of “The Odyssey”

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