“And all this shall be just as I foretell.”

Tonight please read page 999-1004 in your green literature textbook.

Then, respond to Odysseus’ visit to the Land of the Dead.  Some question to consider are :

  • Which character traits does Odysseus display in the Land of the Dead that he has not yet displayed?
  • What difficulties does Tiresias predict for the journey to come?
  • Why would Odysseus continue, despite the grim prophecies?
  • Also, based on Tiresias’ prediction, which heroic qualities will Odysseus need to rely upon as he continues his journey?
As always, please be sure to proofread your writing and respond to at least one other comment in this thread.
Mythology blog #9

37 thoughts on ““And all this shall be just as I foretell.”

  1. As Odysseus travels to the Land of the Dead to consult the prophet Tiresias, he exhibits a few characteristics previously unknown to us. For example, as the hero waits by sacrificial pit, he notices his mother who had died during the long time he was gone. He shows a bit of weakness when he starts to tear. “Now came the soul of Anticlea, dead, my mother, daughter of Autolycus, dead now; though living when I took ship for holy Troy. Seeing this ghost I grieved, but held her off, through pang on pang of tears, till I should know the presence of Tiresias.” In addition, he learns much of the dangers that entail his journey onwards. Tiresias predicts that Odysseus’s journey will be shaken by Poseidon in bitterness for the blinding of his son Polyphemus. He must travel through a strait in order to avoid him, but will fall onto a land where Helios’s herds of cattle are grazing. If his crew should attack them, his ship and crew would be destroyed, and Odysseus would be lost for years until he comes back home to see insolent men eating his food and courting his wife. He then would eventually need to grant a sacrifice to Poseidon, until he dies at a ripe old age. Despite all these obstacles that lie ahead of him, Odyssey still chooses to go forward. Odysseus desires returning home to such a great degree that he would do anything. If he must pass all the grim challenges to see his family and home again, he would do it. In order for Odysseus to succeed, he must hold strong in his determination to return. He cannot afford to feel defeat or give up. Odysseus will also need courage to face the dreadful challenges ahead.

    • Great blog! I don’t agree with you on what you said about how crying over his mother would be a weakness. Although he loved her and is crying because of his sadness, he still holds her from getting the blood, and he has to be very strong to do that. In Harry Potter, Dumbledore said something about how going against your friends (family in this case) is harder then going against your enemy. I think that that is absolutely true, and holding back his mother only gave Odysseus more strength rather than weaken him. 🙂

      • Instead of weakness, I see it as more of sensitivity. For Odysseus, this is a time of extreme emotion, and he can’t help but show it. Great blog, by the way, very insightful.

  2. In pages 999-1004, Odysseus confronts Tiresias, who tells him his future. Tiresias tells Odysseus that he will face many hardships while going home, and will lose all of his crew members in the process if he slays and eats the sacred cattle of the sun god. “Avoid those kine, hold fast to your intent,/ and hard seafaring brings you all to Ithaca./ But if you raid the beeves, I see destruction/ for ship and crew. Though you survive alone,/ bereft of all companions, lost for years, under strange sails shall you come home, to find/ your own house filled with trouble: insolent men/ eating your livestock as they court your lady.”(1003) By saying this, Tiresias is implying that Odysseus will need to show a lot of leadership. He needs to control his men so that they won’t die. Odysseus will need to rely not only on his leadership qualities, but on determination, too. As we clearly see, Odysseus wants to get back to his family no matter what. He loves his family very much, and will not give up until he sees them one more time. He will not give up, and that will come in handy. If he loses all of his companions and is left alone at sea, he will feel very hopeless, but Tiresias warned him to keep faith. Odysseus has also shown determination and restraint in the Land of the Dead, by keeping his mother away from the blood. I think that drinking the blood makes the souls have the ability to tell you your future. They can talk without blood, as evident when Odysseus talks to Elpenor. When he sees his mother, Odysseus holds her back from the blood with regret, still holding on to his strong will to see Tiresias. “Now came the soul of Anticlea, dead,/my mother, daughter of Autolycus,/dead now, though living still when I took ship/ for holy Troy. Seeing this ghost I grieved,/but held her off, through pang on pang of tears,/till I should know the presence of Tiresias”(1002) I don’t think of facing his mother and crying is a weakness, but rather a strength. And in the upcoming years, Odysseus will need to show much more strength, bravery, leadership, and determination than he ever has.

    • I like what you said. You gave a good summary about what happened in the five pages we read. I especially like how you Odysseus’s mother as an example of restraint.

  3. Tonight we reread the Land of the Dead from the Odyssey on pages 999 to 1004. In the land of the dead Odysseus demonstrates new traits that we haven’t seen before. When Odysseus sees Elpenor he shows remorse and sadness to Elpenor’s death. Before, whenever we witnessed people dying, those people were briefly mourned and remembered, but after that we would never here of those people again. Odysseus sees other people he fought alongside and “wept for pity”. This is the first time we see the extent that Odysseus cares for his fleet. Tiresias is the blind prophet whom Odysseus came to the dead for. Tiresias says that Odysseus will experience the wrath of Poseidon and that the next place Odysseus will visit will be the island of Helios’s cattle. If the crew of Odysseus avoid the cattle they will shortly return to Ithaca, otherwise all the crew will die except Odysseus, who will be lost for years until he returns home under a strange flag and is forced to rid his house of the insolent men their who are courting his wife. After, returning home Odysseus will be forced to make a large sacrifice to each of the gods in turn and then Odysseus will live to a ripe, old age but die in the sea. Odysseus continues in even though he has this bad prophecy looming over him because of his strong urge to eventually reach home and that no matter what he does the prophecy will come true. Odysseus will have difficult times ahead of him and will be forced to rely on his endurance, strength, and cunningness if he wants to get home.

    • I agree that Odysseus has a strong urge to return home. He will need to use his heroic characteristics in order to pass all the challenges ahead of him.

  4. After reading “The Land of the Dead” in The Odyssey, Odysseus’ heroic traits become more and more apparent. Odysseus proves to be braver than any of his men, overcoming his own fear of the Land of the Dead while the other men are terrified. And yes, Odysseus is definitely scared. “”From every side they came and sought the pit / with rustling cries; and I grew sick with fear. / But presently I gave command to my officers / to flay those sheep the bronze cut down, and make / burnt offerings of flesh to the gods below— / to sovereign Death, to pale Persephone,” (ll. 571-574, p. 1001). Odysseus buries his fear and completes the task he had come to do. Speaking of which, let’s get to the information Odysseus extracts from Tiresias. First, Tiresias warns Odysseus of the dangers of Poseidon. Obviously, Poseidon is angry that his son, Polyphemus, was humiliated. Poseidon wants revenge. Next, Tiresias warns Odysseus about the cattle sacred to Helios. He advises not to go near them. If they were to harm the cattle, Odysseus’ crew would perish. Lastly, he advises Odysseus to, after returning home and rid it of the men trying to steal his wife, make sacrifices to Poseidon. Despite these dire warnings, Odysseus still chooses to continue on his path. Why? Because he is determined to get home. He loves his family too much to even entertain the notion of giving up. If not for his longing to see his family and home, Odysseus would never have even made it this far. And in the end, Odysseus is going to need to muster every ounce of strength he has. He will have to use his bravery, his determination, and his wit. That is the only way he can succeed.

    • I agree that he does have determination to go back to his family. Who would want to die without seeing his son grow up, leaving his wife not knowing if he is dead or not and stuck with tons of men wanting to court her.

  5. Reading the “Land of the Dead”, on pages 999-1004, we acknowledge more characteristics of Odysseus.
    Despite his flaws, he has a lot of courage and bravery to overcome the ominous prophecy that he heard from Tiresias, a blind prophet. He was the reason for coming to the dark world in the first place. Tiresias says, “Avoid those kine, hold fast to your intent,/ and hard seafaring brings you all to Ithaca./ But if you raid the beeves, I see destruction/ for ship and crew. Though you survive alone,/ bereft of all companions, lost for years, under strange sails shall you come home, to find/ your own house filled with trouble: insolent men/ eating your livestock as they court your lady.”(pg. 1003)
    The next place they will go is the island of Helios’ cattle, if the crew members stay away and avoid the cattle, all will be well. However, if they do not, all of the crew members will die except Odysseus. Then Odysseus will be stranded at sea for a number of years, and then come home into his own home filled with disgusting men.
    In order to go on with this perilous journey, he will have to work with his crew members together and have a very strong sense of leadership. He will have to do all of this to see his family. Seeing his mother, brought back his sense of determination and willingness to succeed.

  6. After reading pages 999-1004 in our green literature textbook, we have witnessed much more of Odysseus as he journeys to the land of the dead. After leaving Circe, him and his crew go to the Land of the dead. Odysseus is unsure at first, and then, “With my drawn blade/ I spaded up to the votive pit, and poured/ sweet milk and honey, then sweet wine, and last/ clear water; I scattered the barley down.” (page 1000). He does so to draw the attention of the dead, and to try to call upon Tiresias, who will help him out with the rest of his journey. Odysseus soon grows worried as many of the dead come and crowd around his offering, yet he soon meets Elpenor, one of his own soldiers who had died one night after falling off Circe’s roof, drunk. He begs that he receive a proper burial, to which Odysseus accepts. Then, someone personal comes forth to see Odysseus, his mother Anticlea. He finds this especially saddening because she was, “dead now, though living when I took ship/ for holy Troy.” (page 1002). Finally Tiresias, who Odysseus came here for initially, appears. He tells him what will happen with on the remainder of his journey-he is told that they will come to the island of Thrinacia, and there they will find the herds of Helios, who if killed, will lead to destruction for the crew of Odysseus. Then, he will be alone for many years before sailing home under, “strange sail” where he will have to fight in order to win back his wife, son, and house, which is currently overrun with suitors. After going on for some time, he finishes, telling Odysseus in his old age that he will die a soft death at sea. This story reveals a side to Odysseus not seen before. Previously, Odysseus was seen as a pure hero-brave, strong, resourceful. Now however, in a time of extreme sadness for him on this island, we see he is sensitive. He feels a stab at his heart when he sees his mother dead before him, and he even promises to mourn for Elpenor. He is, after all, still human and still has emotions. Yet despite the grim prophecies, Odysseus vows to continue his journey. I think he does this because he wants to get his men home, even though he now knows that they will probably die before then. He is overcome by am sense of longing-for his wife, son and ultimately his home, Ithaca. He has an extreme resolve to get home, no matter what happens. When he is told by Tiresias of his journey, Odysseus realizes that it will be long hard and miserable. To stay alive, Odysseus will need to rely on some heroic qualities. To get home, he must have resourcefulness, bravery, and most of all perseverance, allowing him to keep on going. Overall, I found this passage very interesting as it gave us some deep insight into the character of Odysseus and gives us some background on where the story is now headed.

  7. After reading pages 999-1004 of “The Land of the Dead” in The Odyssey, Odysseus’s heroic traits become more and more visible. First of all, the reader sees Odysseus’s feelings of sadness towards her dead mother. This is the first time the reader sees Odysseus have any reaction to those who have fallen. He even mourned the loss of his fellow crewmates. This all shows that even though Odysseus does not show any feelings before, he really does care for his crew. Odysseus went to the land of the dead to see the blind prophet, Tiresias. The prophet tells him that he will have to suffer the wrath of Poseidon until he reaches home. After their visit at the land of the dead is over, Odysseus and his remaining crew would sail to an island where Helio’s cattle were. There, two possible outcomes were possible. If the crew decides to eat the cattle, then all the crew mates will die and Odysseus will take even longer to get back home. There he would have to kill a lot of men in his home. If the crew did not eat the cattle, then everyone would get home and they would reach home much quicker. Obviously, we know that Odysseus returns home alone so the crew members did indeed eat the cattle and suffered.

  8. In the pages that we read, Odysseus goes to the land of the dead to find Tiresias, who will tell him what will happen during their trip back to Ithaca. Tiresias tells Odysseus that along the journey they will face trouble at sea caused by Poseidon, to avenge his blinded son Polyphemus, and that if you “raid the beeves,”(p. 1003) he will not reach home for many years, and that his companions would be deprived of him. He would also face trouble at home, as men are trying to court his wife. Despite such a fate, he urges his men to continue. I think that he kept going because 1) he does not have much of a choice, and 2) he would reach home either way. As long as he is careful, strong, and not let his flaws get to him, he will eventually get back to his family.

    I also noticed that Odysseus probably does not trust his own companions. When they told him to stop teasing Polyphemus, he did not listen to his companions, causing the seas to oppose them from returning home. When they obtain the bag of winds, he does not tell them what is contained in the bag, so they became curious and greedy and they open the bag, blowing them back to Aeolia, causing Odysseus to trust them even less. Then, Eurylochus, Odysseus’ second-in-command, convinced his men to kill the cattle. It is as if he can’t seem to at all trust his men, and they end up having no trust on him either, and everything really backfires on them.

  9. In the “The Land of the Dead” in the Odyssey, we the readers, are given a glimpse of Odysseus’ heroic traits. Odysseus emerges as a brave and courageous leader of his men while overcoming his fear of the Land of the Dead. After leaving Circe, he and his crew went to the Land of the dead. Odysseus perseveres through his fear to lead his men, “From every side they came and sought the pit / with rustling cries; and I grew sick with fear. / But presently I gave command to my officers / to flay those sheep the bronze cut down, and make / burnt offerings of flesh to the gods below— / to sovereign Death, to pale Persephone,” (pg. 1001). Tiresias, the blind prophet, warns Odysseus about a multitude of things as well as useful advice about his journey, “Avoid those kine, hold fast to your intent,/ and hard seafaring brings you all to Ithaca./ But if you raid the beeves, I see destruction/ for ship and crew. Though you survive alone,/ bereft of all companions, lost for years, under strange sails shall you come home, to find/ your own house filled with trouble: insolent men/ eating your livestock as they court your lady.”(pg. 1003) Tiresias warns Odysseus of the dangers of Poseidon who is seeking revenge, and the cattle that sacred to Helios, which can absolutely demolish the crew of Odysseus. Lastly, the prophet advises Odysseus to return home and defeat the men trying to steal his wife and make sacrifices to Poseidon. Despite these warnings from Tiresias, Odysseus goes on to overcome every obstacle in his path about continuing his journey. It is evident that Odysseus is determined above anything else, with the love of his family. Therefore, Odysseus must continue this combination of bravery, courageousness, and determination, if he plans to complete his journey.

    • Great analysis, Ajay! I like the quotes you used, but the part about Helios’ cattle destroying Odysseus’ crew is not that the cattle will destroy them, it’s that Helios will bring them bad luck on feasting on his sacr d cattle. Overall, keep it up great analysis!

  10. In this part of this epic poem “The Odyssey” Odysseus shows a different side of himself than the usual bravery and courageousness and occasional hubris. He shows fear of the ghosts, and becomes sick with it. He cries for his mother, which was still alive when he left for Troy. He shows a sensitive, more vulnerable side of himself, which is kind of refreshing. We have been reading all about this war mongering and blood thirsty fighters that it seems that the characters have lost sight of some of the real morals, not just pride and excessive bravery. Tiresias predicts that Odysseus will come home “under strange sail” and warns that if any of his crew eats Helios’ cattle, then all of his crew will die. I believe this part also shows a part of true bravery and courage, when there is a very small chance that you will actually succeed. Odysseus needs to rely on his wise and cunning mind to get through the awaiting obstacles. He will also need to take his hubris down a notch. He will need an almost unrealistic amount of bravery and courage to get through the obstacles that lie before him.

    • Great response, Mia! I especially like how you mentioned that the characters have lost sight of their morals, and yet, they still have to postpone those emotions until after their journey is complete. Nice work!

  11. In “The Land of the Dead,” we see Odysseus in a somber, and a feeling of saudade. He sees important people from his life in their disconsolate ghoulish state. As he sees these spirits, he becomes afraid. When his friends’ souls arrive, he realizes how much he will miss these people. First he sees Elphenor, a man who was apart of his crew. Odysseus promises him that he will give Elphenor a proper burial, by creating a mound of dirt and leaving an oar there. Then Odysseus sees his mother, who was alive when he left to fight in the war. Here, Odysseus is filled with grief. But he had to hold his sword high, until the prince of Thebes, Tiresias, arrives. This is the first and only part where we see Odysseus sensitive, and having emotions other than pride or his heroic qualities. But he was still very brave to be able to watch his loved ones go by as spirits and not break down. When Tiresias arrives, he tells Odysseus what is to come on the rest of his journey. He says that Poseidon will be hunting down Odysseus to kill him, so he must be alert, and ready for an attack. Odysseus will also stumble upon a land with many rams, and beef to eat. However, Odysseus cannot eat them or else destruction lies in his path. Odysseus must also kill the suitors that are trying to take his wife’s hand, and after all of that, he has to sacrifice a ram, or a bull to Poseidon. Odysseus must be brave, and sharp, because he must be aware of what lays in his path. He must lead his men, so they do not eat the beeves, so Odysseus also has to have control. And he has to be cunning, and stealthy when defeating the suitors, and he must quickly give Poseidon a sacrifice. Odysseus has a long journey ahead of him, but as long as he stays on course and listens to Tiresias, he will be safe. Happy Super Bowl everyone, enjoy the game! 🙂

  12. In Odysseus’s visit to the Land of the Dead, some new character traits are shown and the story of his life is also told. Odysseus goes to Tiresias to find out about his future and what he will need to do to get back home. Tiresias tells him that he will face multiple challenges and hardships on his journey back to Ithaca. He is told about the cattle of the sun god, and he now knows that if he eats the cattle, his whole crew will be lost and he will have to arrive home alone. He also discovers that his mother has died, as he sees her in the Land of the Dead. This is an emotional moment for him, as he will never see his mother alive again, and his last memory of his mother being alive would be when he set sail away from his home. He made the hard decision to hold his mother off from drinking the blood, which makes you have the ability to tell the future. He knew that he needed to see Tiresias, and strength and a sense of what needs to be done when he holds his mother’s soul from drinking the blood. A number of events happen in the pages that we read about Odysseus’s visit to the Land of the Dead. He learns that he will have to show extreme leadership to get him and his crew back home, and he also learns that his mother has passed away while he was gone. He also shows some responsibility and strength when he stops his mother from drinking the blood.

    • Great job! You summarized the texts very well and I must thank you because your blog cleared up some of my questions that I had about the reading. Keep up the great work!

  13. In this weekend’s reading of The Land of the Dead in the green literature textbook, we learn a bit more about Odysseus characteristics. Throughout Odysseus’s journey, he showed bravery, courage, and leadership. All of these characteristics are amazing but one that he showed in this part of his journey that wasn’t displayed before was obedience, which I feel makes him even greater. A wise man by the name Theodore Roosevelt once said, “no man is above the law and no man is below it nor do we ask any man’s permission when to obey it.” This is a very valuable quote as it shows how no matter who you are and who you are in society, you should show obedience at times. Odysseus showed obedience when he took orders from many and even went to the land of the dead in order to save his friends. By abiding by the orders, he saved his friends and showed how, just like Theodore Roosevelt said, no person asks for obedience but it is known when to show it and to whom it is done to. In this story Odysseus was put up to the test and it is very easy to lose track of your place. Another new characteristic shown by Odysseus in this part of his journey was sadness. After reaching the land of the dead, Odysseus sees the spirit of his dead mother. Any child can imagine how sad this is and especially Odysseus who hasn’t seen his family in 20 years and is only now told that his mother died, has a strong reason to be mournful. Although Odysseus is sad, he continues and shows us how he isn’t perfect. Throughout both these characteristics, Odysseus showed how he went through some hardships and he didn’t always have control over the things he wanted.

  14. In the land of the dead, Odysseus is seen portraying character trait that we have not yet seen. Fear and sorrow are both examples of such characteristics. “From every side, they came and sought the pit with rustling cries; and I grew sick with fear”(Pg 1001) This is a new emotion for Odysseus, as he encounters all of his adversaries on his journey home without fear, and yet here we see him nearly overwhelmed by it. This shows that he is still human, however cunning or powerful he may be, and it shows the pure and potent raw power of the dead, to make a great man nearly cower in fear. The second emotion, sorrow, is instilled by seeing his mother’s spirit and learning she has died. This proves that the power of many strangers in as great as the power of a loved one, even if it may be a different type of power. The reason that Odysseus continues on his journey is that he cannot change what is foretold. Even if he puts forth his utmost efforts to stop the vents from happening they will still happen. In fact, if he tries to fight his fate, his fighting will most likely be the thing to cause it to happen.

  15. In the land of the dead Odysseus shows how he can be soft. He cries when he see his mother who he didn’t know was dead. Another characteristic we see is how Odysseus can take orders and follow directions. His pride isn’t too strong that he won’t follow directions. By following them he saved many crew members. The diffuculties ahead will certainly be Poseidon. He will deter Odysseus. Odysseus’s future isn’t looking too bright. Despite this he will continue. It may be about his pride and not wanting to let people down. As he continues his journey he will definitely need courage. He knows he will die and will need courage to continue even knowing he will die. He will also need bravery. He will need to continue to endure dangerous journeys. Also, he will need to be clever. There will be situations where he will need to think quick and come up with a plan.

  16. In the Land of the Dead portion of the Epic of Odysseus that we read this weekend, some new traits of Odysseus are introduced to us. One of the new traits is sensitivity and the ability to feel emotions strongly. We see Odysseus upset on page 1002 because his mom is dead. “ Now came the soul of Anticlea, dead, my mother, daughter of Autolycus, dead now, though living still when I took ship for holy Troy. Seeing this ghost I grieved.” Throughout Odysseus’s entire story, we have seen him try very hard to maintain a heroic image of himself for others to follow as well. But at this point, he lets his guard down and shows that he can be very sensitive, provided there is a reason for it. Odysseus hasn’t seen his mom in a long time, due to being in Troy and also trying to get home. It has at least been 10 years since they have spent time together, but for sure, it has been longer. Now, without warning, his mother is gone and he will no longer be able to see her while he is alive. Death is something that everyone has to deal with in their lives, it is a painful and hard thing to endure. We lose many loved ones and although it is a natural thing, it never seems to get any easier to deal with. The fact that Odysseus had to see that his mother was dead, and grieve for her, taught the lesson that even the strongest of men and heroes, can be upset by death or loss. This trait makes Odysseus more relatable than he has been before. And seeing him in this light, gives us a sense of just how layered of a personality that he has, or is capable of having.

  17. This weekend, we read about Odysseus and his trip into the underworld to meet Tiresias. After spending a year with Circe, she informs him that in order to reach home, he must journey to the land of the dead and consult the blind prophet Tiresias. In order for him to reach the underworld, he swore to sacrifice a black lamb, the handsomest of their flock, and let the blood stream into a well. He first encounters Elpenor, a party member of Odysseus’ crew. He had died in Circe’s Hall after falling off the roof while drunk. For the first time, we see Odysseus cry. “Now when I saw him there I wept for pity”(pg.1001). Empathy and pity are not traits we normally see in the confident war hero. Then, we meet Tiresias, and he tells Odysseus his future.

    “When you make landfall on Thrinacia first and quit the violet sea, dark on the land you’ll find the grazing herds of Helios by whom all things are seen, all speech is known. Avoid those kine, hold fast to your intent, and hard seafaring brings you all to Ithica. But if you raid the beeves, I see destruction for your ship and crew. Though you survive alone, berefty of all companions, lost for years, under strange sail you shall come home.”(pgs.1002-1003).

    In summary, the crew will travel and find the herds of Helios. If they eat the cattle of that herd, everyone except Odysseus will die and Odysseus will spend years trying to return home alone. Obviously, he has to be very bold to decide to continue his journey with the hope that his men will not eat any of Helios’s cattle. With his future predicted in this way, Odysseus must be more in charge then ever before so that he may be able to get them all to Ithica safely.

  18. Odysseus traveled to the Land of the Dead, where he met the prophet Tiresias. In this visit, he exhibits a few characteristics that we had not seen before. For example, when he notices his mother had died during the long time he was gone, he began to cry.I don’t recall ever seeing him in a weak position where he is in tears, it was very different to see. “Now came the soul of Anticlea, dead, my mother, daughter of Autolycus, dead now; though living when I took ship for holy Troy. Seeing this ghost I grieved, but held her off, through pang on pang of tears, till I should know the presence of Tiresias.” In addition, Tiresias predicts that on Odysseus’s journey, Poseidon will try to be destructive because he was upset about the blinding of his son. He must travel through a strait in order to avoid him, but will fall onto a land where Helios’s herds of cattle are grazing. If his crew should attack them, his ship and crew would be destroyed, and Odysseus would be lost for years until he comes back home to see insolent men eating his food and courting his wife. He then would eventually need to grant a sacrifice to Poseidon, until he dies at a ripe old age. Odysseus still chooses to go forward despite all these obstacles. Odysseus obviously wants to returning home so badly that nothing will stop him. If he must pass all the grim challenges to see his family and home again, he would do it. In order for Odysseus to succeed, he must hold strong in his determination to return. He cannot afford to feel defeat or give up. Odysseus will also need courage to face the dreadful challenges ahead. I really enjoyed this story, and I am excited to read about the rest of Odysseus’s journeys.

  19. In order to return home, Circe tells Odysseus that he must travel to the land of the dead to meet with Tiresias. During this portion, we definitely see some new traits in Odysseus. In the previous stories, we can tell that Odysseus is very brave and has a great skill of leadership. For example, he was able to get his crew out of the cyclops situation. However, in the land of the dead, Odysseus seems scared and gloomy, and there is a softer side of him that is being displayed. When he sees his mom, Odysseus can’t help but cry, and feel pity for the others in the land of the dead. This was very unexpected, as Odysseus is always strong, but when his family is involved, his whole persona changes. He becomes sensitive and weak from grief. He will never be able to see her again. Odysseus was eager and determined to return to his family after 10 years, and from the start he loved and was very fond of his family. Seeing a brave war-hero become upset from the loss of a family’s members, shows how important family is to Odysseus.
    The difficulties that Tiresais states challenges Odysseus’s leadership skills. He must be able to take control of his crew to make sure they don’t eat the cattle, and to make sure they all get home smoothly. Odysseus will have to be stronger and the crewmen will have to Ben more obdient. Honestly, I am a little worried for Odysseus’s travels to come, as his crew never really listens to him. Odysseus will have to step up his game.

  20. In pages 999-1,004 we read the “Land of the Dead”. This story tells of Odysseus’ journey to the land of the dead and who he sees there. We see many of Odysseus’ sides in this particular journey. Odysseus starts by luring the dead to him with and offering. Odysseus was nervous at this point for what was to come. Many of the dad come to accept his offering, and one in particular was important. Odysseus met Elpenor, one of his old crew members. Elpenor begs Odysseus for a proper burial. Odysseus agrees and then goes on to see his mother Anticlea. During this entire time we see Odysseus’ sensitive side. He wants to honor his past crew, and cries over his dead mother. We normally wouldn’t see this in battle, so it was different to see a personality like this on a soldier. Odysseus finally meets Tiresias, the ‘person’ he came to meet. Tiresias tells Odysseus of the bad things that will happen in the rest of his journey, and we see the courage of Odysseus when he goes on anyway. Tiresias says, “Avoid those kine, hold fast to your intent,/ and hard seafaring brings you all to Ithaca./ But if you raid the beeves, I see destruction/ for ship and crew. Though you survive alone,/ bereft of all companions, lost for years, under strange sails shall you come home, to find/ your own house filled with trouble: insolent men/ eating your livestock as they court your lady,”(pg. 1003). He is saying that on the island of Thrinacia nobody can kill the cattle or else everyone in Odysseus’ crew will be killed, except for Odysseus, leaving him stranded. When Odysseus finally gets home there will be a bunch of strange and disgusting men in his house eating his cattle and “courting” his wife. Tiresias goes on to tell Odysseus that he will have to fight for his house, family and cattle back, and finishes by telling Odysseus that he will die of old age. After this reading we saw many new sides to Odysseus and I really enjoyed it because it wasn’t your typical war story like the other readings have been.

  21. In the pages 999-1004, Odysseyeus and what’s left of his crew go to visit Tiresais to see what the future holds for them. On this short excursion, Odysseyeus displays a side to him we haven’t seen much of yet. Odysseyeus so far has behaved like the ideal man. He’s heroic, brave, a leader, strong and cunning. However when he gets to the Land of the Dead he sees his mother who has passed on during the time he was away. Here he displays humanity and vulnerability. He’s moved to tears and finally cracks through his somewhat emotionless she’ll. Not emotionless really but more like his wall of invulnerability. From Tiresais, Odysseyeus learns that terrible things will happen to him and his men along his journey and that he will return home alone. He keeps going to on his journey because he made a promise to himself and to his men that he would do his best to get them home. And to quit now would go against what Odysseyeus stood for. Also, Odysseyeus wants to see his family so badly he will suffer any hardship and do anything and everything possible to see them again.

  22. In Odysseus’ adventure into the Land of the Dead reveals more of his virtues which were previously unknown to the reader. Odysseus must travel into the Land of the Dead to speak to the blind prophet Tiresias. In there, he meets the souls of his fallen soldiers, one of whom, named Elphenor, tells Odysseus that he needs to find and properly bury him, as he was left behind after falling off Circe’s roof while drunk. Although it could most definitely be inferred to be there, Odysseus’ virtue of honor shines through in this scene, and gives his word that he will do so. He also sees the soul of his mother. He is disheartened to realize that she had died. She, along with all of Odysseus’ fallen men, all made Odysseus realize the tragedy of death, and how he had been the cause to many. Odysseus lets his softer, empathetic side shine through, as he begins to weep for all the lost souls. However, he pushes through and finally reaches Tiresias. Tiresias predicts that he and his men will be stranded on an island where the cattle of Helios, the sun god, graze. If his men leave them alone, and patiently wait until the weather turns in their favor, they will happily reach Ithaca. If, however, Odysseus’ men decide to kill and eat the cattle, then they will perish, and Odysseus will return very late under strange sails to see his food being eaten and his wife being courted. Knowing this grim fate, Odysseus is only more determined than ever, because Odysseus trusts his men, and is persistent as always to achieve his goals.

  23. As we read The Land of the Dead, we see some new characteristics displayed by Odysseus. Some of these new traits appear when he goes down to Hades and meets his friends and loved ones, like Elpenor, a member of his crew, Anticlea, his mother, of whom he didn’t know had died, and finally Tiresias, who he was sent by Circe to see in the first place. He is extremely saddened and emotional to see Elpenor and Anticlea, especially because he has to keep them away from the giant pit of sheep blood, but I wouldn’t be too upset about that, to be honest. Odysseus is frightened at the spirits and has to keep them away until Tiresias comes forward, who finally does, and tells Odysseus of his future. He tells him that he has a perilous and difficult journey ahead of him, because Poseidon is angry at him after he poked out the Cyclops’ eye. He says that he will sail to Thrinacia and come across the cattle of Helios, of which he must not kill. “But if you raid the beeves, I see destruction for ship and crew. Though you survive alone, bereft of all companions, lost for years, under strange sail shall you come home, to find your own house filled with trouble…” (pg 1003) Odysseus is unnerved at the prophecy, but continues on, because he now has a plan, though a hazardous one. He knows that he has to at least try and get himself and his men home safely, and even though we know that he is the only survivor after his men kill the cattle, he was still brave enough to push on and do it anyway. As many overly dramatic movies and TV shows love to point out, “you can’t change the future.” Odysseus knows this, as this is also a common theme in mythology, so he goes ahead and does what he’s supposed to, even though his men don’t.

  24. In his adventure to the Land of the Dead, Odysseus summons Tirenias. After he has made hisome sacrifice, many of the souls of the dead come out to feast on the blood and wine that Odysseus has poured into a pit, but he does not let them, for he is waiting for Tirenias. Before Tirenias comes, his mother appears. Odysseus not knowing of her death and loving his mother fights her off, but with tears. We have not seen Odysseus cry before, and this shows a sensitive side to him. Everyone has a aensitive sied, it’s just a matter if how easily you can hide it. Odysseus so far has been great at keeping it secret, but now it has come out of hiding. I do not see this as at weakness, but at strength. Love is what is making them want to return home. So the tears that he cris or his mother aren’t a weakness, but rather a strength. Also, now that he knows that his mother is dead, he will want to return even more, which can be viewed in two ways. First, it can be viewed as an attribute, he will not let himself die, and he will make everything me s quick as possible so that he will reach home and be able to see his mother.
    But second, you can see it as a weakness, for now with his mother’s death he may mourn her and wish that she is not dead, therefore putting himself and his crew in more danger. Odysseus isn’t a very special man. He is just like most people, he is just good and the fighting and a bit smarter. He still feels love.

    Tirenias comes and before he is allowed to feast, heuse tell Odysseus of his fiture. Tirenias tells Odysseus of his future, and what he must do. He tells of challenges and tests, and he tells of a long journey, where at the end, there is still another challenge, to free his wife of all the men that wish to be with her. He must also go to a land where their gods are not worshipped, and musthe make a sale dice and and skill for forgiveness from Poseidon. If anything, Odysseus is now more determined then ever to get back home, and he trusts, and hopes, that his men are not foolish, and will be able to come home with him.

  25. When Odysseus goes and travels to the land of the dead to be sure of his future. We come to see traits that haven’t yet been shown in the Odyssey by the hero. First off when Odysseus goes there he sees his dead mother who died while Odysseus was away. “Now came the soul of Anticlea, dead, my mother, daughter of Autolycus, dead now; though living when I took ship for holy Troy. Seeing this ghost I grieved, but held her off, through pang on pang of tears, till I should know the presence of Tiresias.” We see the trait of sadness or remorse. However Odysseus does not want to acknowledge these traits for he thinks it makes him seem weak and unmanly like. Which is not unreasonable becuase heroes are supposed to not show these kinds of emotions. Furthermore when Odysseus speaks to Tiresias, he tells him his future. Poseidon still will try to take revenge on Odysseus. But Odysseus will remain to stay on his path unless him and his crew decide to attack Helios heard. “Avoid those kine, hold fast to your intent,/ and hard seafaring brings you all to Ithaca./ But if you raid the beeves, I see destruction/ for ship and crew. Though you survive alone,/ bereft of all companions, lost for years, under strange sails shall you come home, to find/ your own house filled with trouble: insolent men/ eating your livestock” All this bad fortune however does not stop Odysseus from returning home which he is determined to do.

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